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07/07/2013 at 11:20

Another little secret JR at the beginning of May I wanted my year total to be 350 by 14/8 when I go away on hols and still got 133 miles to go !!

You done well JR I hate running in the heat. Overcast and drizzly is my favourite  !!

Back out tomorrow will look into a 6 route

07/07/2013 at 12:02

Looking forward to a 5am cooler run tomorrow. No way i want to be going after work any day next week. I will use the weather as my incentive to get up early . My favourite running conditions.....light drizzle, just ebough to keep you cool throughout a run. 

07/07/2013 at 12:52

hey guys and girls hows everyone doing?

Just a quick catch up...

Kev - yeah I was running in the five finger for a while, they were great for small stuff but found because I have long toes I would pick up blisters. Wonderful for walking though and I still use them every now and then. Biggest downside with the VFFs is they STINK!

Some great running JR! Congrats on moving to mid foot!  Reading over your old posts will show you the difference in your own miles and injuries. 

The article is interesting but it seems to be focusing on speed and energy not injury. These studies always interest me because the results can always be picked at from both sides. Barefoot runners with weights on their feet?! They don't normally run like that so I don't really get why the experiment of phantom shoe weight is needed. Totally agree that everyone runs differently BUT I don't agree that shoes (for the majority) should be used as a "magic bullet".

Take this as an example...how many Olympic swimmers do you see still using arm bands? Foam noodles? Floats? None! They train and work on technique until they master the movement, why is running any different?

The fact that people CAN heel strike does not mean we SHOULD heel strike. With that said I personally don't think I have been running for long enough yet to be 100% sure of anything. I also try and keep myself open to change that's how I got into all of this in the first place!

I can only go on my own evidence and so far its all pointing towards continuing with the path I'm on right now. 

I agree with the others when they say about not listening too much to some dude in a shoe shop. Physio is a good way to go if you feel you have a medical reason, apart from that I truly feel that its the hard way or no way! Train, practice, read and repeat.

Never give up questioning the evidence presented.

Did a 5k yesterday in the hot hot sun! Was a tough one but got it done.

2013 - 358.69

milo - 114.08

JR - Yeah im feeling pretty relaxed at the moment, little worried about the heat but hey there is not a lot I can do about it Ive hardly done any training this time but 50 miles 2 months ago is just whats staying in my head

07/07/2013 at 18:19

You know you can do it B2B. Just keep telling yourself that and you'll be posting a new pb in no time. I needed that knowledge this morning on a little 10 miler, it got tough but I knew I could do it.

You're right, the running article can be picked at (as they all can). Give it 6 months and someone will have another claim printed. I think in the end whether they're selling you cushioned shoes, stability shoes or barefoot shoes they all have one thing in common....they're business people and they want your money!

As far as my injuries go, i'm convinced the 8mm step my physio added to my right insole to balance my hips has had the best effect yet. Very rare I get back pain anymore, my hip flexor doesn't give me half the trouble it used to, neither does my knee. Nothings perfect but I am able to manage things much easier. We're all different and require different things I guess.

One thing surely everyone must agree on though, form is everything! Strong core and strong form equals great running.

 

07/07/2013 at 19:24

Just come back from a 2.76 mile dog walk in my flip flops.

What i did notice IS a was walking midfoot and NOT heel striking!!

How come when in trainers i heel strike??

Maybe i should take up running in flipflops Lol.

07/07/2013 at 19:59

when you wear trainers kevin you have cushioning to take away the pain of heel striking. when wearing flip flops or running barefoot heel striking is uncomfortable or painful, forcing you to push off mid or forefoot 

 

08/07/2013 at 08:56

JR - Yeah im sure I will be fine its just pre race jitters! 10 mile eh?! NICE! This thread is turning into a testament to hard work and perseverance! 8mm is a large difference in leg length! No wonder you were having all the problems before seeing the physio! I wonder if anything could be done about that naturally? Probably take sooooo long though and more than likely pick up some injuries along the way. So glad you found something that works! Yeah I agree with the business side, its all about money at the end of the day. The only exception being barefoot studies, tough to sell no shoes! 

Kev - Not heel striking when walking?! *scratches head* ok you got me! When walking you should be heel striking?! JR is spot on on the difference for when your running but the walking shouldn't really change? Maybe your flip flops are too big? 

08/07/2013 at 09:55

Perfect running weather here in Helensburgh nice and cool and overcast. I wanna go now but work is getting in the way

08/07/2013 at 11:50

stoooopid work! 

Its looking like it gonna be a really hot one at the weekend *gulp!* 

Edited: 08/07/2013 at 11:51
08/07/2013 at 13:25

Will be back later - just need to catch up a bit - To be honest I can't really offer much advice re footplanst etc - BUT am having an easier week so have listened a bit about having rest days!!!

08/07/2013 at 14:20

 wait wait wait!! The weather is hot, Grendel is taking rest days, what the hell is going on?!??! 

08/07/2013 at 14:56

The last few weeks have been quite tough - have now done 12s, 14 and 2 times 15 - in terms of distance I am miles ahead of where I needed to be - so for once I am going to listen to you lot and drop back a bit before building up further.

08/07/2013 at 15:55

nice one Grendel! You will be hitting 20`s soon enough! Your marathon time is gonna be a good one! I think after my 24 hr in september I might start working on getting a little quicker at marathon and 50 in preporation for next year. I want my 100 miles in 24 hour buckle! 

Edited: 08/07/2013 at 15:56
08/07/2013 at 16:20

Oooft !!

Temperature has sored here in Helensburgh

But after last weeks disaster mileage wise got to get out so am off for a very slow very easy 5.

08/07/2013 at 20:53

WK2- R1 done 

waited till sun went down though Lol.

08/07/2013 at 20:56

Went for a 10k run yesterday (8am and it was still hot), but my knees started to hurt right at the end. It's a rest day today but worried I wont be able to go out tomorrow as they still feel sore? Shame as fitness wise I felt great and wanted to go further! I'm pretty sure I did a negative split too as I definitely felt stronger in the second half? (which never normally happens). Might change back to flat insoles instead of moulded ones just to see as I haven't had problems with my knees since having supporting trainers, and that's the only thing I have changed recently?

08/07/2013 at 21:16

Lisa - if you had no problems before why change to the moulded insoles ?

Boy was hot out there, very slow hot sticky 5 miles

B2B - you got an ultra in mind for your 100?

Grendel your doing well your gonna smash that marathon

08/07/2013 at 21:30

Funny you should say that lisa,

My knees have been aching every day since starting running again with these support trainers and moulded insols.

Just put mine down to early days though, was thinking of taking some glucosamine. 

Be interested to hear how you get on after swapping the insols back.

09/07/2013 at 06:31

Lisa, are you wearing moulded insoles in supportive shoes? If so, I reckon I can tell you why your knees are aching! Supportive shoes should not contain moulded insoles or orthotics as far as i'm aware.

I think neutral/cushioned shoes are what you need.

330, know how you feel, bring on the rain lol

Nice easy 5 miles this morning, much cooler and even upped the pace a little over the last half mile. Felt very comfortable despite knees aching a little after Sundays run. When I finished my legs genuinely felt like they were still full of bounce.

July - 19.72

2013 – 285.84

09/07/2013 at 08:04

Lisa - JR is of course perfectly correct. Years ago when I thought about it I read that insoles or orthotics go with Neutral shoes.

Supportive shoes provide the support themselves so if you have moulded insoles you are basically getting "double" support. I would go back to wherever you got the insoles if they advised buying support shoes and to use moulded insoles - and tell them they are wrong and get your money back

Wish I had gone out in the AM as well JR !! Still will be out tonight slow pace. Giving myself a target is another little insentive

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