£9000 a year too much for a degree?

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25/01/2014 at 21:16
25/01/2014 at 21:58

Unfortunately, our esteemed leaders, of both persuasions, have got it wrong!

Society needs people who are highly educated and qualified, and should meet all or most of the costs involved. The charges made to a student is because it was decided that we could not afford to finance 50% of young people going through university.

The answer to that is simple, to a non going university person.

Keep polytechnics for vocational and technical courses. And introduce to a tax payable by all post-graduates.

Agree?

26/01/2014 at 08:57
I might stop some of the more esoteric degrees, How many people do we need to teach Anglo-Saxon each year ?

If you equate highly educated and qualified as paying an extra tax Won't they do that by having a higher salary ? Unless they spent 3 years studying Anglo-Saxon ?
seren nos    pirate
26/01/2014 at 09:04

£9000 a year might be good value for a medical degree......it costs a hell of a lot more to run the course.......

but £9000 a year for a part time HND is a local college taught by college teachers doesn't sound great value to me..........

 

luckily in Wales the government pay over £5000 of it each year.........that with a grant means my children can still attend further education without massive debts......

26/01/2014 at 09:07

Is it technically a massive debt? Family members of mine that have gone off to uni said the debt is hardly noticed.

talking paying back pence/ few pounds a week. 

When they start earning more they do pay back more but the majority said its worth the price tag. 

seren nos    pirate
26/01/2014 at 09:13

£9000 a tear for course is £27,000

 accommodation for 36 weeks at £120 x3 = 12, 960

food, books travelling etc for 3 years 

 nothing short of £50000  really for 3 years ....more years means more debts

of course those with money will have parents paying the fees and accomodation

 

26/01/2014 at 09:48
But if they get a good degree, and therefore a decent job they will soon pay it off....

3 of ours are all happily paying it back
26/01/2014 at 10:12

I'm not too sure what the OP's point is as there are links to US sites.
Much though I hate golf, If I owned a golf course, would I be more inclined to take on someone with a degree in the subject rather than a degree in say the History of Art.

Of course taking the piss out of pointless degrees such as the History of Art is less popular because proper universities run them. Possibly the people in the media who generate headlines denigrating courses such as Golf Management don't have any friends who have participated in such courses, but do have friends who have degrees in the history of music (media studies for posh people) but wouldn't dream of highlighting how useless such a course is because such jolly nice people do it.

Edited: 26/01/2014 at 10:14
26/01/2014 at 10:31
Ja5onW wrote (see)

Is it technically a massive debt? Family members of mine that have gone off to uni said the debt is hardly noticed.

talking paying back pence/ few pounds a week. 

When they start earning more they do pay back more but the majority said its worth the price tag. 

Were they paying 9k a year fees though - can't remember when that came in but it could only be 3 years or so ago wasn't it ?   50k is a massive debt - not saying it's not worth it - like Dave says if it leads to a well paid job then it is.    If you become say a primary school teacher or something with a similar salary - reasonable but not huge - then that debt is a real burden.   A decent job does not always equate to the highest pay you can achieve.   

Edited: 26/01/2014 at 10:32
26/01/2014 at 10:45
seren nos wrote (see)

£9000 a year might be good value for a medical degree......it costs a hell of a lot more to run the course.......

but £9000 a year for a part time HND is a local college taught by college teachers doesn't sound great value to me..........

 

luckily in Wales the government pay over £5000 of it each year.........that with a grant means my children can still attend further education without massive debts......

By 'the government' of course you mean the good old English taxpayer.

26/01/2014 at 11:47

It doesn't cost anything like that much to study with the Open University. 

26/01/2014 at 11:49
But the rate it you it back is proportional to your salary...
26/01/2014 at 11:56

We need highly educated people in this country but not at any cost. The nation can't afford to pay for everyone but I think it should be possible for us to subsidise those courses that lead to professional qualifications where we have shortages.

26/01/2014 at 12:06

Anyway it all comes down to the last government's stupid idea of having 50% of students go on to university - thus devaluing degrees.

High fees provide an alternative method of reducing the demand for places by pricing people out.

Absolutely bloody potty.

26/01/2014 at 12:49

The fees go via student loans company - therefore not a real debt - PAYE - it's there but nothing to be concerned about.  Drop below threshold, no worries, stop paying.  

Yes they are expensive though - even Open Uni is too expensive now.  £15,372.

It used to be far less.  It is still less than 27k I agree.

 

26/01/2014 at 13:33

Don't knock Anglo Saxon! My degree included Anglo Saxon history, literature and manuscript transcription. No direct relation to my present job - assistant head teacher in a comprehensive school - but does mean I can decipher most handwriting and spelling.  

26/01/2014 at 14:07

Flob - bash the Tories as much as you want but tuition fees were Labour's creation.  As was the dumbing down of educshun to give more a degree so it looks better for them despite it being meaningless.  Now you have a bunch of media studies and sociology grads who have no experience, in their mid twenties and no job.  

seren nos    pirate
26/01/2014 at 15:03

the other problem is that companies now are not as happy to take on youngsters and pay for their education........

when I was young if you wanted to be an accountant you could get a job and then they would pay for day release to train you up and pay your fees etc........

now they just take their pick of graduates and can still pay them lower salaries.......and so less training to give them........

 

26/01/2014 at 15:45

Supply and demand, when we need trained and skilled people - give degrees away for free. When we have too many degree qualified people expecting miracle terms and conditions - bang the cost up. Standard logic, there are no front line troops anymore for the day to day jobs, hence Plumbers and Electricians earn more than your GP.

Another point, there was a guy on the TV last week doing his degree in "The history of the Eurovision song contest" I'd hate to think we gave this type of degree away for a measly £9,000

26/01/2014 at 17:35

The average GP earns over 100k a year - I'd like to know how many plumbers and electricians earn half that.   

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