Am I being too generous ? Or am I too tight ?

Charity Giving

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seren nos    pirate
31/01/2013 at 13:29

so what about if you weren't lucky enough to be born with enough genetic intelligence to be able to achieve that level of education........

Pudge    pirate
31/01/2013 at 13:33

For someone who works so hard, you seem to spend quite a lot of time farting about on this thread.......shouting about how hard you work, ironically enough.

K80
31/01/2013 at 13:37
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)
K80 wrote (see)

That's a very broad term. What field - mechanical, electrical, software, civil, gentetic... ?

I am qualified in both Mechanical and Electrical engineering to degree level, I also have an MBA. It cost me approx £18k to pay for my qualifications, so please don't make the mistake of calling me lucky. Hard work has been good to me and would be for most people.  

I didn't.

31/01/2013 at 13:40
seren nos wrote (see)

so what about if you weren't lucky enough to be born with enough genetic intelligence to be able to achieve that level of education........

No, it's all just laziness according to Nick.

I will agree though that we need to offer more practical apprenticeships of all kinds - university isn't the answer for a lot of people. 

 

31/01/2013 at 13:48

Nick, it sounds like you have been very lucky.

31/01/2013 at 13:49

I'd say you were lucky to be able to afford £18k for an MBA...I'm not saying you didnt work hard to get it

31/01/2013 at 14:52

GR I'm not lucky at all I come from a council house background and a poor family, I don't think I'm particularly gifted with anything other than a hard working mentality. I was not lucky to be able to afford my training, I put it out because I was confident I'd pull it back, I paid for it because I didn't smoke or drink. If these are the responses to someone who is basically only hard working, and advocating hard work as a potential cure for the malaise in the country. Then frankly you all need to look at yourselves, we get what we deserve. 

31/01/2013 at 14:56

Cheers Nick ... Keep paying the taxes, and the spongers will love you for ever

31/01/2013 at 15:02

Too true Dave, and by the time I get to pension age the gravy train will have left

31/01/2013 at 15:05
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

Too true Dave, and by the time I get to pension age the gravy train will have left

Reach pension age ?   Doubt you will manage to get to 95 at the rate you will have to work

31/01/2013 at 15:08

Ha ha it would be funny if it wasn't about to come true,

31/01/2013 at 15:12
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

Ha ha it would be funny if it wasn't about to come true,

It's OK I think it's hilarious

31/01/2013 at 15:16
Screamapillar wrote (see)
xine267 wrote (see)

Fair enough, so actually what the government spends your taxes on is irrelevant to your choice not to donate money to charity

 

Well it shoud be - unless you have some strange idea, like Nick does, that it's all somehow going to benefit scroungers and not paying valuable people like nurses, policemen and prison warders.

No, I don't have that idea at all. I find it very odd that people feel the need to justify or whitewash the decision not to give to charity they will trot out the argument "I pay my taxes, so I don't need to"

Fine if they don't want to give money to charity, but why not just say so? No need to act like paying tax is altruistic and paying higher rate tax is the same as donating extra money to charity.

31/01/2013 at 15:17
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

GR I'm not lucky at all I come from a council house background and a poor family, I don't think I'm particularly gifted with anything other than a hard working mentality. I was not lucky to be able to afford my training, I put it out because I was confident I'd pull it back, I paid for it because I didn't smoke or drink. If these are the responses to someone who is basically only hard working, and advocating hard work as a potential cure for the malaise in the country. Then frankly you all need to look at yourselves, we get what we deserve. 

Well said Nick. You've worked hard and invested in your education and training, instead of spending the money on drinking and smoking. I can't see why anyone could knock you for that.

31/01/2013 at 15:22

Too easy to steer the other way I'm afraid

31/01/2013 at 15:27

"I was not lucky to be able to afford my training" ?
£18k over what? 6 years, thats £3k a year or 20% of the salary of many a high street manager. Are they not hardworking? I would say that you are lucky that you could afford that as well as (or instead of?) bringing up a family, and paying the household bills.
If that means that people who choose well paid occupations such as engineering are more hardworking then I fear you are seriously deluded. I would say that you made a wise decision in choosing a profession that is recession proof, but that hardly makes you a harder worker.
You should however have been all set for early retirement by now, after all you could have persisted with the £3k a year in savings, plus redundancy payouts, plus the pay increases (more after each bout of redundancy) so that a state pension shouldn't even feature. Perish the thought your kids have to fork out for charity cases such as old spongers....

31/01/2013 at 15:29

You will be distracting Nick from his engineering dustin if you aren't careful

31/01/2013 at 15:32

Ha! No one is knocking him for that. I'm wondering why he feels the need to say that taxes = charity instead of simply saying that he doesn't want to give to charity.

I would like to know what is so special about having a working class background, paying for your own education (while not smoking and drinking) and ending up with a decent job and a decent salary? I did it, virtually all my friends have done it. So what? People need to get over themselves.  

31/01/2013 at 15:57

Interesting, Hard work never hurt anyone but the thought of it is killing plenty. I agree with some of Nick's comments (not all) and as an Engineer also agree it's been good to me too. I suspect he's right about good Engineers, rarely if ever out of work.

Also in the proud working class brigade but I believe that working class is now too lofty an aspiration for many. As for training it's an investment you either make or you don't

31/01/2013 at 16:00

The thread seems to be morphing away from charity contributions ,and towards the subliminal question of who has the most money.

 

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