Anorexia, the media and role models.

A question.

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22/08/2012 at 16:44
Why were you bothering to watch celeb big brother ?
22/08/2012 at 16:48
An yes the first crystal.
22/08/2012 at 16:50

Is Adele a better role model for children?  Or Beth Ditto?

22/08/2012 at 17:06
kittenkat wrote (see)
 

oh crikey now it's sticky ground... If I said don't put fat people...


Cos it's not like 99% of your "throw this question out there" threads isn't designed to hit sticky ground within about 10 posts, is it.  Sod it, I'm invoking Godwin's law, 3 pages early...

22/08/2012 at 17:24

Hmmm - I'm obviously underweight although not for lack of eating. I have 3 teenage daughters who have all seen me in swimming trunks and boxer shorts (although never in a bikini??, perhaps this is bikini specific??).

Are you saying as a role model I look shit to my kids??

Are my kids all going to become anorexic????

You've got me worried now - I'll cover up more in future round the house - thanks I never realised what harm I was doing to my daughters! I'll stop exercising and start eating more unhealthily - where's the pies, where's McDs - I need to get fatter quick, my daughters health depends on it!

22/08/2012 at 17:29
kittenkat wrote (see)

Ok, I'll admit that it's probably wrong to assume that someone so obviously underweight has anorexia. But given a lack of a physical medical condition...

My girls (aged 8 & 10) caught a glimpse of Celeb Big brother and were horrified at how thin Jasmine is, and so a conversation ensued between us.

My question is that given how unhealthy she looks, how responsible should the producers of Big brother feel about letting her (a) in the house in the first place and (b) to wander round in a bikini.

Irrespective if she anorexic or not, as a role model I think she looks shit. Aren't kids and teenagers and people vulnerable to eating disorders going to look at her and, well the cogs will turn in not a healthy way.

Thoughts?

Back to your question. The media, in every shape or form must take responsibility. Just queue at Marks or somewhere and there are trash mags, highlighting z lists half a cm of fat, and how great it is to be thin. Then you have your McDonalds generation who dont give a fuck. A fag in one hand, a pushchair, and a tank top two sizes to small for them.

This is why i am pleased i had a boy i guess. His role model is Luke Skywalker..

22/08/2012 at 18:33

Some people are just naturally rake thin. Depends on other things I think. If she nibbles on lettuce and whines about being fat then she's got a problem. But if she's seen on TV eating relatively normally and not running off to the bog to vomit it back up, I reckon she's okay. Maybe not exactly a top role model for young girls, but do you really expect to see that on celeb BB anyway?

22/08/2012 at 20:06

I wonder why you let kids just watch this stuff. I really wouldn't!

Iron Muffin    pirate
22/08/2012 at 20:28
mtbrDot wrote (see)

I wonder why you let kids just watch this stuff. I really wouldn't!

I think this is an important debate parents should have with kids. Surely more potential damage to hide this sort of TV and debate from your children.

22/08/2012 at 20:41

I make it simple: I don't have a TV, nine years by now.

Iron Muffin wrote (see)

I think this is an important debate parents should have with kids.

And does this includes porn and Antichrist-like flicks, just to watch together and discuss afterwards, kinda make it educational? Probably yes, but not at this age.

22/08/2012 at 22:07

I don't think the producers of Big Brother would have even considered the issue you've raised. Nor do I think they'd accept any responsibility for anything other than ratings!

23/08/2012 at 09:32
kittenkat wrote (see)
mtbrDot wrote (see)

I wonder why you let kids just watch this stuff. I really wouldn't!

There was nothing in the slice of the program yesterday afternoon that was unsuitable for children of that age.

I guess you've never watched it...

I depends on whether you think a programme promoting under-nourished 'celebrities' is suitable viewing for impressionable girls, I suppose.

Edited: 23/08/2012 at 09:33
seren nos    pirate
23/08/2012 at 09:42

With all programmes.and films if the parents watch them first they can record them and share them with the family if deemed suitable..you never know what is going to happen on the reality shows.......they do not reflect any normal behaviour ever...

i love the phrase naturally thin.............if someone says they are naturally fat or big boned then people say...oh yes ....just eat less..........but naturally thin is used a lot.....

also i bet the lady in question does not think her bones stick out and that she looks too thin...........most people who have bones sticking out and look too thin  would say that they are just naturally thin but have no bones sticking out and look healthy......

we all see ourselves different to others.............maybe its because we have learnt to be happy in our own bodies and accept them that we see ourselves as ok and not too thin or too fat as others see us......

23/08/2012 at 09:57

I remember when I was growing up there was a lot about stick thin celebs and I grew up with a group of friends where 'eating disorder' was the norm and a badge of pride. I have the vivid memory of a friend of mine beaming with pride because she hadn't eaten for 48 hours (her record then) and the response: "No food tastes as good as being skinny feels".

I look at victoria beckham for instance and I see: ill, frail, sick. I look at Amanda Holden, Jess Ennis, Nel McAndrew and I see healthy and slim. For me - it's not just shows like BB that encourage eating disorders it's the entire celeb culture that buy in and encourage people that it's great to be that thin.

23/08/2012 at 10:03
kittenkat wrote (see)
I've had years dealing with this stuff in teenagers back in the time I was teaching. Basically my rule of thumb is that you can look at someone and their body frame, if the bones show overly, that's not natural unless they're ill. I've got a very slight frame and weight, but no extruding bones or shark spine.

Yeah, you're right, I can think of several friends who are positively bird-like without being overly skinny or bony. One of them's actually what I think of as a fat thin person, as she's a bit flabby and un-toned and actually has a small pot belly, yet still wears a size 6-8. On the other hand, no matter how low my own bodyfat goes I'm always going to be fairly big framed - at 5'6" and with a sixpack I still weighed nearly 10 stone...

But then there's also the folk with bulimia who have relatively 'normal' to slim looking bodies but seriously awful screwed up eating habits. Can't always tell just by looking...

23/08/2012 at 11:17
kittenkat wrote (see)
mtbrDot wrote (see)

I wonder why you let kids just watch this stuff. I really wouldn't!

There was nothing in the slice of the program yesterday afternoon that was unsuitable for children of that age.

I guess you've never watched it...

I judge by the show which is a local ripoff from Big Brother, never seen british version. It's highly marginalized here and considered quite fruity. Nonetheless, aren't we supposed to set standards for kids? I'm trying to maintain some stardards after all, although my tongue is my worst enemy at home but no tabloid level stuff - never!

23/08/2012 at 13:42

Earlier this week my 8yo daughter asked me what her ideal weight should be as an 8yo,  which was a bit worrying that she's come out with that question.  However it did prompt a good long discussion about ectomorph / endomorph body shapes,  exercise,  growth spurts,  muscle v fat etc......and more importantly I managed to avoid giving a direct answer or referring her to her mum

23/08/2012 at 14:01

I don't recall having any concept of ideal bodyweight when I was 8.  I do remember my dad trying to persuade me to eat more green vegetables, but being happy enough that at least I liked my carrots and sweetcorn. 

23/08/2012 at 14:08

I can see where you are coming from, but I tend to think that it is the responsibility of the parents rather than the media to encourage their children to develop a healthy attitude towards food, exercise and their bodies. Clearly you are doing a good job with your kids because they were able to identify that the girl looked unhealthy, rather than deciding that she was a good role model. 

 

Hope    pirate
23/08/2012 at 17:51

I've always taken the view that there is plenty in the media I would prefer my children not to be exposed to, but it's my job as a Mum to filter, discuss and arm my three with knowledge, so they can make sense of the mad world portrayed through TV etc.

Do I think the media should have a conscience towards what my kids are exposed to? No. All sorts of stuff is 'out there'. I think it's my job to equip my kids to deal with it.
Big brother just wouldn't be on in my house. I hate the thing lol, but we've had similar discussions about other programmes.

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