Believing in God

or not

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13/10/2012 at 08:28
GymAddict wrote (see)

Someone really needs to explain to me why the god-squad (in the media and in the US) have SUCH a massive problem with homosexuality.  Seriously - aren't there more important things to care about than what folks get up to in the privacy of their own homes.  And don't anyone dare quote the bible - because we all know that you can cherry-pick  to condem or condone just about anything.

How about they're own insecurities about their own sexuality or a dislike for anything different? It could also be that the church itself is struggling with the concepts and how to deal with them and so the individuals aren't sure what attitude to take. Its can also be an emotive subject because of individuals attitudes regardless of whether they believe in God or not.

I was at a bible study group a few years ago and the subject of homosexuality came up. The leader of the group acknowledged that the issue had come up but asked that we leave the subject as it could be quite emotive.

As the T in LGBQT I've been dealing with this with the church I go to for a while. The issue of sexuality did come up in conversation with our vicar and his wife due to me being married.

Just going to the church I attend I throw up things for people to consider because my relationship with my OH should go from a heterosexual one to a lesbian relationship to people looking in. How they deal with that will be interesting to see.

It will also be interesting to see how people react next Sunday at a special service that the church is putting on. A lot of the people that will be attending wont have seen me in the best part of a year because I go to a different service now.


13/10/2012 at 10:25

I wondered if it was because the church gives bigots a slight veneer of respectability for their predjudice.  As to actual existing church members who are not bothered either way - then they are perhaps reluctantly persuaded if the minister is carismatic enough to sway the argument.


I was an evangelical bapist in my young adulthood and the way they dealt with homosexuality was one of the things that started the process of me questioning my faith.  


The RC church's stance is easier to understand I suppose - they are just opposed to anything and everything that does not promote a)women know your place and b)have lots of babies.


C of S and C of E - those are the ones that I wish would just grow a pair of balls and call the dissenters out on their pathetic behaviour.


I won't even touch on the situation in the US because I think a lot of them are as crazy as fruitbats and about as intelligent.

13/10/2012 at 11:07

Some of the church goers I've met are so lacking in empathy that I assume they go because they have too. Either that or they're just trying to get their kids into the 'right' school. I see these people and think, 'that's right, repent you sinners'. As for sheer hypocrisy how about that Churchgoer in South Africa or America who shot dead a guy in the street while on their way to making a deal with God; no doubt at a price.

13/10/2012 at 15:46

I think the general message in religion has been lost in translation, the people who hold sway are sometimes a little too extreme, as a kid in the 60s going to Catholic schools that were run by Nuns I was given all manner of punishment including the cane by three different people, Headmaster, class teacher and the head Nun, because in a general discussion, I asked why were Nuns in charge of school kids when they don't have their own. No one gave me an answer, but the reaction I suppose told me all I needed to know. I guess looking back at the Catholic church it proved me right to some degree.  

13/10/2012 at 15:52

Sorry forgot to add to the general discussion if a God does exist I don't think he'd be too impressed with those left to uphold his word on his behalf.

When people look at religious leaders who are basically so badly wrong on so mnay fronts it's no wonder people don't believe any more, as they are given no reason to believe.

13/10/2012 at 15:52

You should have sued for assault.

13/10/2012 at 15:54

Hey maybe I could ker ching!!

13/10/2012 at 16:01

You'd only have six years from when you become 18, otherwise it would be statute barred. You could have sued till you were 24 I suspect, though no one did back in those days. It's amazing that teachers had this idea they were free to assault you without any legal consequences.

It would be great to go back to your old school and say, "Here's a court summons, you violent bastards!"

Edited: 13/10/2012 at 16:02
13/10/2012 at 16:08

Teachers! the worst were the Nuns, sadistic doesn't come close, but it was all in someone else's name so it's OK

13/10/2012 at 16:33
EKGO wrote (see)

as a kid in the 60s going to Catholic schools that were run by Nuns I was given all manner of punishment including the cane by three different people, Headmaster, class teacher and the head Nun, 

I'm so glad that attitudes have changed in schools and that corporal punishment doesn't happen any more. I never had the cane but I know a few people that got given the cane or the slipper. I'd hate my son or neices to have to go through that.
I wonder how someone would have faired if they had taken their school to court for assault.

Edited: 13/10/2012 at 16:35
13/10/2012 at 16:39
Edited: 13/10/2012 at 16:40
13/10/2012 at 16:39

Badly I guess, in the 60s it was not isolated it was an every day occurrence if you had any sort of spirit, and my parents always told me to open my mouth and be heard, so that's what I did

Dark Vader    pirate
13/10/2012 at 16:40

So.. what do you make of the implication then that the Pope, Arch-Bishop, Bishops and all the other heirarchy of church officials, and indeed whatever the leaders are of other religions are called, are all fraudsters and fakes and should be locked up in jail for fraud, misreputation and deception..?


13/10/2012 at 16:43

I don't know about being locked up. The religions of the world could be sued for fraud and it's surprising they haven't, yet.


13/10/2012 at 16:44

I'll go with it, the Pope and bishops etc have presided over, and protected all manner of systematic abuse and paedophiles over the last few years,  can anyone defend this?

Dark Vader    pirate
13/10/2012 at 16:50

Good point ekgo


13/10/2012 at 17:29

Religion has played it's part in controlling people and fear of a bad after-life has worked for centuries, probably more so than I'd like to acknowledge, but it needs to be shattered now.

We are the first true generation free of War and religion, as we have now educated ourselves away from the influence of religion, and therefore justification of War (in the name of .....) has become difficult, slowly this will happen world wide, it's what form of behaviour that takes over that we need to be concerned with.

13/10/2012 at 17:51


EKGO wrote (see)


We are the first true generation free of War and religion,

Come again??

13/10/2012 at 18:14

We will be free of war. I doubt if humanity will ever be free of religion though. There will always be little cliques who want to carry on with it, however enlightened and rational the rest of the human race becomes.

13/10/2012 at 18:37
Colin McLaughlin wrote (see)

We will be free of war.

I doub that very much.  In world of growing population and limited resources, there will always be groups of people with conflicting interests who will end up killing each other.

Unless you've discovered some amazing new drug? 

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