Do you, would you... say anything in this situation?

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kittenkat    pirate
09/01/2013 at 20:34

Ok, first off don't look specifically at the topic I'm talking about, apply it to your own background of knowledge in your field.

Let's begin...

I'm over qualified and could be quite scary in this if I wanted to be, but what's the use of that? I just want a balanced opinion from you guys...

My youngest daughter goes to a gym club after school on a Monday, run by an outside business that comes in. They also run the breakfast club with a variety of physical activities. Wonderful concept...

I'm now working full time and long hours, but when I do drop the kids off to breakfast club or have the luxury of picking them up from after school clubs; I notice that the sole instructors are in their early 20's. That's fine in itself...

But my little one is really interested in her gym club and has been attending for a while. I'm an ex gymnast to quite a good standard and an ex PE teacher that specialised in delivering 'how to teach gym and dance' sessions, because traditionally it's the weakest area in teaching across primary and secondary.

I'm waffling, the point is that my 8yr old is going to be good at sport, and keen.

But her gym 'club' hasn't taught her the very basic.. basic...basic way to safely roll out of a handstand or how to break a fall safely

She's designed her own ways. I'm not being a gym snob, this stuff is shit unfortunately.

 

Edited: 09/01/2013 at 20:35
09/01/2013 at 20:49

Teach her yourself, my daughters following my creative vent, I don't wan't her being taught by some teacher who can't draw but passed an art degree on "concepts".

..how does it go...those who can do, those who can't...

09/01/2013 at 21:01

Is it just that the scope of the school gym club isn't actually intended to bring-on world class gymnasts, but simply provide a fun activity before and after school, for kids of more mixed abilities and interests.

Is there a more focussed / intensive gym class that your daughter could join outside of school, which would be more suited to her abilities and potential?

 

 

kittenkat    pirate
09/01/2013 at 21:07
Juliefrazz wrote (see)

Is it just that the scope of the school gym club isn't actually intended to bring-on world class gymnasts, but simply provide a fun activity before and after school, for kids of more mixed abilities and interests.

Is there a more focussed / intensive gym class that your daughter could join outside of school, which would be more suited to her abilities and potential?

 

 

Oh absolutely, it's just meant to be fun, but my point isn't about potential. It's a very basic one... It's not safe for any kid.

Edited: 09/01/2013 at 21:09
09/01/2013 at 21:11

I think you need to say something, either to the instructor or the school or both. From what you say it sounds like it's not safe for the kids. Also if the instructors aren't properly qualified I would also wonder whether they would be able to get the right kind of insurance to cover accidents.

kittenkat    pirate
09/01/2013 at 21:14
literatin wrote (see)

I think you need to say something, either to the instructor or the school or both. From what you say it sounds like it's not safe for the kids. Also if the instructors aren't properly qualified I would also wonder whether they would be able to get the right kind of insurance to cover accidents.

Plus I'm Vice Chair of the Governors, so ultimately it IS my problem if the shit hits the fan. I just want to know if I'm being a dick because it's my field of expertise.

09/01/2013 at 21:30

Well if I thought it was genuinely unsafe I'd say something - but I'd probably write a polite letter or make a phone call to the person in charge of the company rather than get into a discussion with the coach. 

Iron Muffin    pirate
09/01/2013 at 21:36

I think action should be taken in this case. Safety must come first, KK if you know more than the instructor it is not your fault.

Generally I think schools who outsource this sort of thing should mange it more closely.

09/01/2013 at 21:37

Come on do you really need to ask? You're the parent, a Governor, a qualified pe teacher, I wouldn't think twice in your position.  What reason can you have for not flagging up an unsafe environment for the kids?

Plum    pirate
09/01/2013 at 21:48

What Mr Puffy said........ you know the safe way to do it, you are a responsible qualified individual, you arent happy with what your trained eye is seeing, if you keep quiet you will be to blame hun......

09/01/2013 at 21:53
kittenkat wrote (see)
literatin wrote (see)

I think you need to say something, either to the instructor or the school or both. From what you say it sounds like it's not safe for the kids. Also if the instructors aren't properly qualified I would also wonder whether they would be able to get the right kind of insurance to cover accidents.

Plus I'm Vice Chair of the Governors, so ultimately it IS my problem if the shit hits the fan. I just want to know if I'm being a dick because it's my field of expertise.

Sorry, I completely missed the point about safety, possibly because I wouldn't think you should even need to ask opinion.

Definitely you should raise your concerns, not directly with the instructors, but with the school or the company (presumably) being paid to provide a service.

 

 

kittenkat    pirate
09/01/2013 at 21:53
Mr Puffy wrote (see)

Come on do you really need to ask? You're the parent, a Governor, a qualified pe teacher, I wouldn't think twice in your position.  What reason can you have for not flagging up an unsafe environment for the kids?

Well because most 'sports' clubs in primary school are crap if you look at the nuts and bolts; but if people like me take them to task, they simply wouldn't happen and become another H&S twattism...

My dilemma is... Do I bother with unsafe practice in the school hall, or stop my kids climbing the ruined barn, copious trees and numerous other activities for a couple of hours a day on the farm, whilst I post this stuff?

I just wish that if we're going to throw money at sport, we have a minimum standard of coaching. Not the fault of the the young guys and girls delivering in our school...

09/01/2013 at 22:59

I get it, but playing out is adventure, this is actually supervision. Blow the whistle!

 

09/01/2013 at 23:01

Well... I still think you should say something. But if you would really rather not take 'official' action, perhaps you should at least have an informal chat with some of the other parents, if you get the chance. You can teach your own daughter the safe ways to do things, but everyone else's kids will be doing things wrong, possibly dangerously so. If you mention it to other parents and they're concerned, then you're definitely not being a health and safety twat if you take further action.

09/01/2013 at 23:22
kittenkat wrote (see)
Plus I'm Vice Chair of the Governors, so ultimately it IS my problem if the shit hits the fan. I just want to know if I'm being a dick because it's my field of expertise.

It was clear from the start that you had to say something if you have real safety concerned - for the sake of all the children... but if you're vice chair of governors. and if an accident happens...  and if someone knows that you knew that things weren't right... I just don't know where the liability would end..

09/01/2013 at 23:22
I guess it's human nature, my own area of expertise is maths, and none of my daughters maths teachers seemed able to do things to my satisfaction, best to say nothing as professionals they have their way and you have yours, just have to accept that it's different.
10/01/2013 at 08:28

Find another gym club whose standards you are happy with and maybe treats training as more than "a bit of fun". If nothing else, it might be good for your daughter to find out if she is happy learning in a stricter, more focussed environment and whether it's something she might go on to do competitively or just because she enjoys it. Ask her what she thinks.

If it's the latter she can always go back the the more casual group and she'll have learnt how to execute the moves safely. Alternatively, if she already knows she just wants to do it for fun, teach her the safety stuff yourself.

10/01/2013 at 08:55
kittenkat wrote (see)

My dilemma is... Do I bother with unsafe practice in the school hall, or stop my kids climbing the ruined barn, copious trees and numerous other activities for a couple of hours a day on the farm, whilst I post this stuff?.

But it's climbing trees on the farm, it a commercial environment and therefore comes under health and safety legislation.  I would say that in your position as a govenor you are also in a commercial environment in this case and therefore have a Duty of Care to report any activity that you think is unsafe.

It doesn't mean that the clubs should be stopped just that this particular deficiency needs to be addressed.

10/01/2013 at 09:25

You should say something - saying something doesn't mean that the activity will have to stop, only that it can be made safer for all the children. 

The others may NOT have worked out how to do the things your daughter has.

Think how you would react if one of the other governors knew something unsafe was going on, did nothing about it, and someone got hurt.

10/01/2013 at 10:27

I don't know anything about gymnastics but in a hypothetical situation where I knew that incorrect information/improper training was being given then I would say something about it. Surely the company has a duty of care to the children participating to ensure their safety by making sure that they are taught by properly qualified and experienced instructors? If you don't think the instructors are up to scratch then say something.

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