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30/04/2013 at 11:53
Screamapillar wrote (see)

OK well I'm sure this problem has already been raised with the organisers as people's watches must be telling them vastly different stories to their official times but I have reported it again anyway.

An entire marathon field with the wrong chip timings happens to be more important than a lot of idle speculation, bitching and finger-pointing. 

As runners we should realise that. If we don't, we shouldn't be here.

 

 

There is a statement on the Manchester Marathon facebook page acknowledging there has been technical issues with the timings and results

http://www.facebook.com/Gtrmanchestermarathon

 

30/04/2013 at 11:53

It was Paris Wilkie.....  So very different to VLM...

It was a marathon full of people running, No silly costumes, No people with buckets trying to collect money, No one walking within 5 minutes of the start....

It was almost a race rather than an overgrown R4L

30/04/2013 at 12:10

That's good news Gertie.

David, I suggest you find something better to do with your time. If you keep posting threads like this but not contacting the race organisers with your concerns I will get them cazzed.

You can't keep making allegations against people who have no means of reply whilst hiding behind a keyboard. 

 

30/04/2013 at 12:12
Screamapillar wrote (see)

 

You can't keep making allegations against people

 

I'm not sure he has made allegations, Just comments on data that is in the public domain

Edited: 30/04/2013 at 12:13
30/04/2013 at 12:17

I notice from page one of this thread
"it is universal knowledge that the manchester marathon timings and cghips are all fucked up......"
well I must have inhabited a different universe, because I knew nothing about this at all, yet my club had two runners in it. (I've checked, their times look valid)

Screamy - do you make a point of getting threads cazzed because you don't like them or the issues they highlight? Granted DF struggles to do it in a subtle way but I for one would rather gross errors (where the data exists in the public domain) are highlighted.

30/04/2013 at 12:25

 

Dustin wrote (see)

I notice from page one of this thread
"it is universal knowledge that the manchester marathon timings and cghips are all fucked up......"
well I must have inhabited a different universe, because I knew nothing about this at all, yet my club had two runners in it. (I've checked, their times look valid)

Screamy - do you make a point of getting threads cazzed because you don't like them or the issues they highlight? Granted DF struggles to do it in a subtle way but I for one would rather gross errors (where the data exists in the public domain) are highlighted.


Dustin you miss the point entirely - it's about speculating and making comments about people who have no right of reply.

I have no problem with the issue raised (I have reported a cheat myself). But if you find an anomaly the right thing to do is report it, not come on RW and invite other people to speculate on it, especially if you are too much of a coward to report them.

David tries to persuade us it's because he "doesn't really care" but the real reason is obvious.

Sh*t stirring among forumites is one thing, involving total strangers is another.

How would you like it if you found out a bunch of  people you didn't know was discussing you somewhere?

Edited: 30/04/2013 at 12:30
30/04/2013 at 12:32

Like Dustin, I had no idea there was an issue with the timings until I read it on here.

I don't see why the thread should be cazzed.  There were and are issues, why shouldn't they be talked about?

DF3 hasn't actually accused anyone of cheating, just drawn attention to an issue.  Other people have drawn their own conclusions.

People who don't like his threads can always not read them - but I guess that's not nearly as much fun as working up a lather about how outrageous it all is.

 

30/04/2013 at 12:36
Wilkie wrote (see)

Like Dustin, I had no idea there was an issue with the timings until I read it on here.

I don't see why the thread should be cazzed.  There were and are issues, why shouldn't they be talked about?

DF3 hasn't actually accused anyone of cheating, just drawn attention to an issue.  Other people have drawn their own conclusions.

People who don't like his threads can always not read them - but I guess that's not nearly as much fun as working up a lather about how outrageous it all is.

 

If you don't get why discussing a pair of perfect stranger's times on a public forum is wrong then you just don't get it.

30/04/2013 at 12:38

I don't think I miss the point entirely.
DF - as I said - raised an issue in a very unsubtle way, yet highlighted a glaring fk up from an alleged big city marathon.
The rest of us have looked at the links/evidence/scenario, and despite it being 'universal knowledge' (it isn't) most of us have come to the conclusion there was a wholesale catastrophe with the events timing system.
Sure DF can be a bit of a cock womble, but as with the case of the Brighton 'outlier' (a thread, which if i'm not mistaken, you were not in favour of) glaring discrepancies in the public domain should be highlighted.
As regards questioning the data, Manchester have put something on one of their pages, I have yet to hear back from the company that provides chip timing for Brighton, as to whether their product can record start and finish times, yet throw up spurious readings in the interim. I didn't mention names, runners or specifics, but just asked a general question, so as not to question anyone's integrity.

As regards protecting peoples integrity, do you feel the same way about public figures?

30/04/2013 at 12:40

I don't really buy into the 'I didn't say anything just pointed out some facts' argument, because I think insinuations are kind of worse than allegations (more slippery, nothing a person can get hold of and deny outright).

But I think the chip timing at Manchester looks pretty f*cked up and that is worth discussing. I notice on their facebook page a woman (not this particular one) has posted that she was given her husband's time and it was a lot faster than hers, and that she'd had to contact the organisers to get it sorted, which it eventually was. I imagine the timing people are still working through the backlog.

30/04/2013 at 12:43

I think there's a few on here who are playing the man rather than the ball.

I'd been keeping an eye on the Top 10 improvers for the month on the Run Britain website, as I'd been up there close to the top 10 earlier in the month myself, and a fellow poster off another thread then got themselves into contention last week.

Logged in to have a look just before I left work last night and noticed that there was a very unlikely new entrant in the top 10 (and thus in line for a prize) who had apparently gone from running bests of 10m/mile over 5k parkruns to 8m/mile over a full marathon distance. 

Whether there was skullduggery at play or not, and it looks increasingly likely that there wasn't, by entering a competition where your name is going to appear on a leaderboard, you are opening your results up to scrutiny, particularly if you are suddenly in a prize winning position.

Given the previous thread and the fact that I didn't have time to dig any further, I tipped DF3 off on what I'd spotted as I guessed he'd probably take a closer look.

If that makes me a bad person, my humble apologies, and please do throw some of your ire in my direction rather than directing it all at DF3.

I note now that the error and thus the rankings have been corrected by the way. 

30/04/2013 at 12:45
" If you post things I don't approve of on here I will get them cazzed" Was this the worry some people had, that if some forumites were given a bit of power, that it would go to their heads? I'm not sure if I can suffer any more shorts or no shorts threads, which the Pillar obviously approves of.
30/04/2013 at 12:46

On the Manchester thread on here there is talk of duplicate numbers as well (i.e., two people running with the same number).  All very odd.

For what it's worth, I don't think this thread should be cazzed.  I did report the Brighton thread as to me it crossed the line as the woman's name was mentioned in the thread title and the thread was very high on Google if searching for her name.  On this one, the names haven't been specifically mentioned although I do agree the speculation isn't really justified.

30/04/2013 at 12:46

FFS - we had this discussion last time Dustin. Public figures have (rightly or wrongly) to expect this sort of behaviour. Private citizens don't.

And yes, "Glaring discrepancies in the public domain" should be highlighted. To the race organisers.

 

Tommygun2    pirate
30/04/2013 at 12:46

Here you go David this guy is a real cheat, its quite an interesting read if you have some spare time on your hands. Its quite an amazing story

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_singer

30/04/2013 at 12:53
Sorry I can never except Pillars argument that one person somehow has less rights as a human being just because they are famous.
30/04/2013 at 12:58
Sussex Runner (NLR) wrote (see)
Sorry I can never except Pillars argument that one person somehow has less rights as a human being just because they are famous.

FFS Does anybody actually read my posts?

Personally I don't accept that famous people have any less rights to privacy that non-famous ones but in this day and age it comes with the territory, unfortunately. 

BTW SR - I won't ask why you are stalking my posts on other threads. 

And anyone that can't see that this thead wasn't started to highlight and discuss the technical errors at this event is in pretty bloody deep denial... 

Oh and Bob - getting someone else to do your dirty work for you? Nice.

Edited: 30/04/2013 at 13:04
30/04/2013 at 13:05

so will you get a thread that questions the integrity of a famous person cazzed or do you have double standards? Would you post on such threads, as it comes with the territory, that comments that throw sh*t at celebs are not called for?

tommy gun - nice link, thanks

Edited: 30/04/2013 at 13:06
30/04/2013 at 13:10
Sussex Runner (NLR) wrote (see)
Sorry I can never except Pillars argument that one person somehow has less rights as a human being just because they are famous.

What about kats, what rights do we have?

30/04/2013 at 13:13

Kats have the right to be put in a sack with some bricks and chucked in the cut 

Edited: 30/04/2013 at 13:13
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