Eastleigh By-election

predictions and consequences

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01/03/2013 at 14:43

you think it was about destroying villages and towns, I think it was about costs.
'ethnic cleansing'.....really?

01/03/2013 at 14:53

It had nothing to do with costs. It was a exercise in breaking the Unions and she was more than happy to destroy large swathes of the country to exercise that plan.

01/03/2013 at 14:54

so would we be better off if cost ineffective primary industries that hold the governemnet to ransom were still prevalent? Obviously the working conditions in those days were also much better.

Edited: 01/03/2013 at 14:56
01/03/2013 at 15:03

Yes, pretty much everything they privatised would be better nationalised in my opinion. Of course things like working conditions, union influence and many other factors would have evolved as anything does over a period of 30 years.

Also "cost ineffective" is invalid, as many of the closures made were to profit making sites at that time.

Edited: 01/03/2013 at 15:03
01/03/2013 at 15:13
Eggyh73 wrote (see)

Yes, pretty much everything they privatised would be better nationalised in my opinion. Of course things like working conditions, union influence and many other factors would have evolved as anything does over a period of 30 years.

Also "cost ineffective" is invalid, as many of the closures made were to profit making sites at that time.

Yes it would. Shareholders are benefitting at the cost of the users that's wrong.

Incidentally, someone on another website the other day made the point that EDF is a state-owned French company that privately runs part of Britains electricity supply and makes a profit  - for the French!

On one hand that's scandalous but on another - if they can do it, surely so can we?

01/03/2013 at 15:51
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

Where are 3 parties, Look back on your history

Labour have the ideas, but carry them through in a poor way

Tories oppose everything new but carry it out in a penny-pinching way

Liberals just say no to everything, yet never come up with real alternatives.

Your politics say a lot about how you live your life. Find me a policy implemented in 100 years by any party other than Labour that has been for the good of the working man.

Factories act, Welfare state, minimum wage, all brought in by Labour and opposed by Tories. Politics is not new just the faces at the front

Looking at 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_labour_law_in_the_United_Kingdom

and 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom

seems that there are plenty of laws brought in for the good of the working man by parties other than Labour:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Age_Pensions_Act_1908

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_Boards_Act_1909

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Act_1911

(Ignoring your 100 years rule, round numbers are overrated)

Edited: 01/03/2013 at 15:53
seren nos yn canu    pirate
01/03/2013 at 21:01

I live in an area that had low unemployment for years..............and then the industry was all taken away so that anyone educated moved away and those left were left with no work..........and then generations were on benefits..........blame the people for being on benefits if it helps.......but who took the jobs that 40 years later still haven't been replaced

and then let them hear stories of poeple getting enough bonuses that would probably feed the whole village for a week at teh same time as losing millions of money.........and you wonder why the divide seems to get bigger

01/03/2013 at 21:15

Seren I'm not in any way in favour of benefits except for the extreme cases, but you're right and I also agree with some of the above, the exercise in the 80s was about clearing the decks for the Tory party, the removal of strong opposition, and the re-distribution of wealth back to the "ruling classes" look today at inflated Utility prices, and the ever increasing private housing market. 

The tory party did once bring in a social measure though, the Poll tax, and wasn't that a roaring success


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