Fascist, but not racist?

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03/04/2013 at 11:00

Facists, Racists, etc etc.

Sounds like mostly the same old bulls*** to me.

Di Canio has announced his transfer targets already, John Terry, Suarez and Hitler.

03/04/2013 at 11:08
Muttley wrote (see)
Johnny Blaze wrote (see)
Given that fascists believe in authoritarian, if not totalitarian rule in a single party state where the rights and freedoms of individuals are negligible compared to the overriding needs of the state, whether or not he is a racist is a bit of a moot point in my book.

Being a card-carrying fascist means you are a twat, full stop.

I've often wondered why it is beyond the pale to be extreme right but not so to be extreme left. Would he have got the same reaction if he was in the SWP?

Not defending either, just asking ...

 

Mutts, did you ever see the Alan Bleasale series GBH? There was a line it it that said, "the more left wing you go the more right wing you become" the theory was that being at either end of the political spectrum led to intolerance to the extent of allowing no opposition. For instance, anti vivisectionists that attack people or burn down research laboratories are essentially extreme left wingers behaving like extreme right wingers.

03/04/2013 at 12:20
Screamapillar wrote (see)

"the more left wing you go the more right wing you become" the theory was that being at either end of the political spectrum led to intolerance to the extent of allowing no opposition.


Good point, it's not your politics that define you, it's your level of extremism

03/04/2013 at 16:40

He's changed his mind now apparently....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22017645

03/04/2013 at 17:11

Di Canio's latest statement is laughable! If he's 'not political' why does he have 'Dux' a reference to Mussolini, tattooed on his arm? Maybe the arm has a mind of it's own, which would also explain it's fondness for doing Nazi stalutes. 

Edited: 03/04/2013 at 17:11
03/04/2013 at 18:13
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)
Screamapillar wrote (see)

"the more left wing you go the more right wing you become" the theory was that being at either end of the political spectrum led to intolerance to the extent of allowing no opposition.


Good point, it's not your politics that define you, it's your level of extremism

I'm pretty left wing, as people might have gathered, but I don't see myself as extreme. I believe in argument, not battering people. I certainly don't see myself as being close to fascists - people mistakenly see this as a circular thing.

03/04/2013 at 18:16
EKGO wrote (see)

Not aimed at you Peter, I just don't see any point in criticising a Nation for history, what happened can't be undone, and what's more important is that people learn from history and improve

Well, I guess there's not room for a full exposition of my views on the history of Britain, but let me moderate them to the extent that anyone who studies our imperial history will find many bloody examples of racism at work. You don't even have to be a 'cringeing PC something or other' to understand that.

03/04/2013 at 18:33
Muttley wrote (see)
Johnny Blaze wrote (see)
Given that fascists believe in authoritarian, if not totalitarian rule in a single party state where the rights and freedoms of individuals are negligible compared to the overriding needs of the state, whether or not he is a racist is a bit of a moot point in my book.

Being a card-carrying fascist means you are a twat, full stop.

I've often wondered why it is beyond the pale to be extreme right but not so to be extreme left. Would he have got the same reaction if he was in the SWP?

Not defending either, just asking ...


You say that but who was worse, Hitler or Stalin? I would always pick Hitler because he was a loon. Stalin simply believed that the end justified the means, without his 5 year plans, would we still have beaten Hitler? But the fact that he deliberately and cynically killed fewer millions than Hitler does not make his doctrine OK.

03/04/2013 at 20:03
Peter Collins wrote (see)
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

Good point, it's not your politics that define you, it's your level of extremism

I'm pretty left wing, as people might have gathered, but I don't see myself as extreme. I believe in argument, not battering people. I certainly don't see myself as being close to fascists - people mistakenly see this as a circular thing.

Taken to extremes it is a circular, the more extreme the more irrational

03/04/2013 at 23:47
One of the key differences between the extreme left and the extreme right is that the left believe that Socialism/Communism is the final step in the perfectability of man. I beg to differ as the track record is that Socialism leads to single party states and repression/oppression, if not outright murder and genocide.

Is there anyone left in the world who thinks Socialism and freedom of the individual can exist together in a modern state? Generally socialists and fascists share a number of common traits - a key one of which is... You must obey. We know what's good for you, shut your gob unless you want to get hurt.





And no, Sweden isn't a socialist country...
04/04/2013 at 08:17
Johnny Blaze wrote (see)

 
 
 

And no, Sweden isn't a socialist country...


Who said it was? Please expand;

I Have always found Sweden a fascinating country, I may even save up and go there myself one day!

04/04/2013 at 11:19

I'd say sir alex has definite fascist tendencies.

04/04/2013 at 12:02

As well as being a Cnut


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