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25/02/2013 at 14:47

Actually we did pay privately for the first attempt.  It failed.  We were just starting tests for the 2nd attempt on the NHS when I got preggers naturally.  And for information we've always said his middle name is Kitchen as that's what our savings were that we raided for the IVF!

Thanks for caring though!

Edited: 25/02/2013 at 14:48
25/02/2013 at 14:47

i'm assuming those that are vitriolic on this issue would also remove HIV treatment for those who contract the disease by use of needles, alcoholics etc?

what about people who are injured doing extreme sports? it is their own fault, right?

if i crash my bike tomorrow and I'm not wearing a helmet, no dice?

for the record, I don't think I should get skin removal surgery on the NHS.

25/02/2013 at 14:49

Actually DF3 that really is quite harsh and upsetting.  You really are a prize dick!

25/02/2013 at 14:55

no offence mate, I don't really read yours at all. love x

25/02/2013 at 15:02

oh you are so CUTE!!

thanks, I will do. I was looking for a response from someone else.

 

25/02/2013 at 15:04
We had been trying for over 6 years.
25/02/2013 at 15:05

no. just anyone else

25/02/2013 at 15:10

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

25/02/2013 at 15:12
Agree. Life must be pretty peachy for him
25/02/2013 at 15:22
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)
Rob Walker 12 wrote (see)

When you say responsibility for your actions - are you saying that a child is directly responsible for their diet and exercise regime where this is less than ideal? Isn't that the parents' responsibility, while the consequences fall entirely on the child?

So where do the murderers of Jamie Bulger fit in amongst this theory of yours? Did you notice that the parents got away scot free from any criticism (as far as I could tell by press coverage at the time). Shouldnt the parents have been jailed  for clearly failing in their parent responsibilities?

 

I would summarise my position as;

Bad cases make bad law; we shouldn't seek to generalise from the Bulger case.

Those children were seriously, seriously disturbed. The perfectly normal instinct towards vengeance isn't entirely helpful when you sit back and think about it though, and what actually happened (detention, attempted rehabilitation and subsequent attempted identity change and protection) was probably the best choice in terms of sentencing. That it appears to have failed in at least one of their cases is awful but the attempt was the right thing to do.

We don't know what happened to their parents ultimately as their identities have also been changed, however I would hazard a guess that their lives have been comprehensively ruined. HOWEVER, the idea that they got away scott free from criticism is ridiculous, the home life provided by their parents (mothers more specifically) was specifically referenced in court on many occasions, and the judge laid significant moral responsibility at their doors. As they had not committed the crime, he couldn't very well lock them up.

25/02/2013 at 15:33

Interesting arguments forming, but how you got from fat people to child killers in such a short step is a mystery. DF3 I agree with Cinders you are a knob (and I think it's intentional so you're allowed to be) but I agree with you on one comment though, intelligent (or even comical argument) falls flat whenever people turn to the troll or daily mail reader insults, these seem to be trotted out when the argument does not go a particular way.

25/02/2013 at 15:44

No actually I called him a troll as he invades numerous threads lobs in hand grenades and then sits back no doubt chuckling at his insults winding up some poor person who thinks they are engaging with someone at something other than a moronic level.

He's not debating anything, just trying to stir up arguments. He exerts typical troll behaviour of trying to make a name for himself on the forum through such methods, which is normally to counter balance the fact that he'll be a complete non-entity in life. Narcissistic behaviour and stirring comments to gather attention to himself.

People like that ruin the worth of forums like these.

Edited: 25/02/2013 at 15:45
25/02/2013 at 15:45
Clear and sound reasoning doesn't prevent you being a knob...

Lack of Viagra, causes mental health issues, which leads to suicide leading to a wife and 3 kids being left without a husband or father.... Glad it was just comic effect on your part
25/02/2013 at 15:52

i don't have any trouble with david's arguments. they are pretty tame, for internet forums. standard fare. i'm sure he's a nice chap.

it's a physical thing. everytime I see his name I am sick in my mouth a wee bit. it's the weirdest thing. maybe a doctor can explain it.

25/02/2013 at 16:01
Eggyh73 wrote (see)

No actually I called him a troll as he invades numerous threads lobs in hand grenades and then sits back no doubt chuckling at his insults winding up some poor person who thinks they are engaging with someone at something other than a moronic level.

He's not debating anything, just trying to stir up arguments. He exerts typical troll behaviour of trying to make a name for himself on the forum through such methods, which is normally to counter balance the fact that he'll be a complete non-entity in life. Narcissistic behaviour and stirring comments to gather attention to himself.

People like that ruin the worth of forums like these.

There you go again, just because someone disagrees with you, does not entitle you to insult them, unless of course you're out of reasoned argument, stop doing it and use your reasoning.

25/02/2013 at 16:08
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

 and here I am ....... the Ricky Gervais of Runners World.

 


A fat bloke, who isn't funny and has the personality of an aubergine

25/02/2013 at 16:13

Are hospices funded by NHS or by charities?

25/02/2013 at 16:18

in that case daniel o'donnel is a really brilliant singer.

25/02/2013 at 16:18
Dave The Ex- Spartan wrote (see)
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

 and here I am ....... the Ricky Gervais of Runners World.

 


A fat bloke, who isn't funny and has the personality of an aubergine

...........ha ha.....I can,t stand ricky gervais...think hes a right plank.Is it just me or does anyone else think David Beckham and Ricky Aubergine are morphing into each other.

..........anyhow I,ve paid loads of national insurance over the years and never has any blinkin treatment..........not one  hospital stay ............nothing..............so if my money pot pays for someone to have IVF its fine with me.............I have more of a problem with the NHS sorting out drunk teens in  A&E..........but thats another debate

25/02/2013 at 16:18

Anyway, back to the matter at hand, Now that we've covered Trolling, the philosophy of publicly funded healthcare and the Bulger case, does anyone know anybody who's actually had a tummy tuck? Or anything else interesting to say about it?

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