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25/02/2013 at 15:02

oh you are so CUTE!!

thanks, I will do. I was looking for a response from someone else.

 

25/02/2013 at 15:03
the dude abides wrote (see)

oh you are so CUTE!!

thanks, I will do. I was looking for a response from someone else.

 

So you were looking for a response that came to the same ill informed conclusion as your own then?

25/02/2013 at 15:04
We had been trying for over 6 years.
25/02/2013 at 15:05

no. just anyone else

25/02/2013 at 15:09
Cinders wrote (see)
We had been trying for over 6 years.

But back to the original point, say you hadn't had children, neither you nor your husband would have died from this. If you require, I dont know, say £10,000 worth of IVF, that may or may NOT work ...... (it isnt a guarantee), which childrens hospice should go without to fund this? At the end of the day the NHS has a finite amount of funds. The money you would have spent isnt just a figure from nowhere, its actual real money that could have been put towards beds on a cancer ward etc. Sorry but thats just the reality of it. IVF should never be allowed on the NHS under any circumstances, and Im quite happy for you to put forward a case where it should be, but I think you'll struggle.

25/02/2013 at 15:10

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

25/02/2013 at 15:12
Agree. Life must be pretty peachy for him
25/02/2013 at 15:14

Ahhh, when you cant counteract a persons argument, call them a troll.

I wonder if thats what happens in the Oxford Debating society?

25/02/2013 at 15:22
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)
Rob Walker 12 wrote (see)

When you say responsibility for your actions - are you saying that a child is directly responsible for their diet and exercise regime where this is less than ideal? Isn't that the parents' responsibility, while the consequences fall entirely on the child?

So where do the murderers of Jamie Bulger fit in amongst this theory of yours? Did you notice that the parents got away scot free from any criticism (as far as I could tell by press coverage at the time). Shouldnt the parents have been jailed  for clearly failing in their parent responsibilities?

 

I would summarise my position as;

Bad cases make bad law; we shouldn't seek to generalise from the Bulger case.

Those children were seriously, seriously disturbed. The perfectly normal instinct towards vengeance isn't entirely helpful when you sit back and think about it though, and what actually happened (detention, attempted rehabilitation and subsequent attempted identity change and protection) was probably the best choice in terms of sentencing. That it appears to have failed in at least one of their cases is awful but the attempt was the right thing to do.

We don't know what happened to their parents ultimately as their identities have also been changed, however I would hazard a guess that their lives have been comprehensively ruined. HOWEVER, the idea that they got away scott free from criticism is ridiculous, the home life provided by their parents (mothers more specifically) was specifically referenced in court on many occasions, and the judge laid significant moral responsibility at their doors. As they had not committed the crime, he couldn't very well lock them up.

25/02/2013 at 15:33

Interesting arguments forming, but how you got from fat people to child killers in such a short step is a mystery. DF3 I agree with Cinders you are a knob (and I think it's intentional so you're allowed to be) but I agree with you on one comment though, intelligent (or even comical argument) falls flat whenever people turn to the troll or daily mail reader insults, these seem to be trotted out when the argument does not go a particular way.

25/02/2013 at 15:40

"DF3 I agree with Cinders you are a knob (and I think it's intentional so you're allowed to be)"

But I can stand by every one of my comments in this thread (except for the Viagra one which was posted for comic effect) .... there is not one thing someone could challenge me on that I could not counteract with clear and sound reasoning.

25/02/2013 at 15:44

No actually I called him a troll as he invades numerous threads lobs in hand grenades and then sits back no doubt chuckling at his insults winding up some poor person who thinks they are engaging with someone at something other than a moronic level.

He's not debating anything, just trying to stir up arguments. He exerts typical troll behaviour of trying to make a name for himself on the forum through such methods, which is normally to counter balance the fact that he'll be a complete non-entity in life. Narcissistic behaviour and stirring comments to gather attention to himself.

People like that ruin the worth of forums like these.

Edited: 25/02/2013 at 15:45
Dave The Ex- Spartan    pirate
25/02/2013 at 15:45
Clear and sound reasoning doesn't prevent you being a knob...

Lack of Viagra, causes mental health issues, which leads to suicide leading to a wife and 3 kids being left without a husband or father.... Glad it was just comic effect on your part
25/02/2013 at 15:52

i don't have any trouble with david's arguments. they are pretty tame, for internet forums. standard fare. i'm sure he's a nice chap.

it's a physical thing. everytime I see his name I am sick in my mouth a wee bit. it's the weirdest thing. maybe a doctor can explain it.

25/02/2013 at 16:01
Eggyh73 wrote (see)

No actually I called him a troll as he invades numerous threads lobs in hand grenades and then sits back no doubt chuckling at his insults winding up some poor person who thinks they are engaging with someone at something other than a moronic level.

He's not debating anything, just trying to stir up arguments. He exerts typical troll behaviour of trying to make a name for himself on the forum through such methods, which is normally to counter balance the fact that he'll be a complete non-entity in life. Narcissistic behaviour and stirring comments to gather attention to himself.

People like that ruin the worth of forums like these.

There you go again, just because someone disagrees with you, does not entitle you to insult them, unless of course you're out of reasoned argument, stop doing it and use your reasoning.

25/02/2013 at 16:06

Eggy - think how boring this forum would be if all we discussed was running. So errr, how many miles did you run today? 5 .... and you? oh I ran 8 ....... umm, OK, great .........

You need someone to come in and liven this party up, and here I am ....... the Ricky Gervais of Runners World.

 

Dave The Ex- Spartan    pirate
25/02/2013 at 16:08
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

 and here I am ....... the Ricky Gervais of Runners World.

 


A fat bloke, who isn't funny and has the personality of an aubergine

25/02/2013 at 16:13

Are hospices funded by NHS or by charities?

25/02/2013 at 16:14

I think his £3million townhouse in North London suggests he's not as unfunny as you may think.

25/02/2013 at 16:18

in that case daniel o'donnel is a really brilliant singer.

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