Is this joke Racist?

Faithsdaddy wrote (see)

It is technically racist.  The bigger problem however, is the over the top way in which people respond to this kind of thing.  A couple of generations ago, homosexuality was 'wrong' and you could go to prison for it.  Now, if you do or say anything against gays, you're the one in trouble.  Were we wrong then, or wrong now?  

Think for yourself.

Personally I think one HAS to respond to shit like this in as strong a way as possible. I don't see a swift and firm reaction as being over-the-top. I think it's just what you have to do in order to show the ingrained bigots that such nonsense is not something that they should think is accepted quietly by everyone.

As for your question about 'gays', I hope you're not actually serious.

Two nuns in the bath ...

"where's the soap?"

"yes, it does,  doesn't it!"

Hands up who understands Bruce's post .......

but not as much as the candle !

"Nice tits love.  Now where d'you want these blinds?"

...oh sorry, wrong nun joke.

heard Phils before............but not bruces............but yes i get it fraser 

Oh no - I'm so dense I need it explaining......what a saddo.

I assume it's filthy in some way. I don't get Phil's either !

So, to the OP.

Will this tangled web of discussion help you win the argument at work tomorrow ? 

Is this joke racist? or could it be 'is this joke culturcist?' 

How about that film where the main character called his black labrador dog THE 'N' WORD. Is that racist? People will find this reference in the film offensive. Why?

Well, my black dog ended up being called Sam, short for Sambo. I have fond memories of my granny's old kids books about little black Sambo. And while my non-white friends had a good chuckle at it, I do realise that shouting 'Sambo' in public would be quite likely to make many people think I was a member of the EDF (or whatever the Scottish equivalent is) hence him being known as Sam.

Dreamtwister wrote (see)

Alot of humour is based on being offensive. It is there to jolt the ignorant, the bigot and also the sterile easily offended head up your arse types.

The comedians like Chris Rock  talk about racism and other sensitive subjects in a very clever and astute way. Of course nobody would call him a racist, because he is black!

The joke is very tame, not particularly funny and anybody that feels the need they "has to respond to shit like this in a strong way" needs to take a good look at themselves. Chill out you boring twat. It's no different to the jokes about paedo catholics. Intelligent people can differentiate between the joke and the reality

Personally, I think offensive jokes are only acceptable if the humour outweighs the offence. So for subjects extremely likely to cause offence, the joke has to be VERY f**king funny for it to be acceptable. I don't have any problem at all with genuinely funny jokes. Including racist, sexist and paedo priest ones.

But even then, there's context. I'd tell race jokes to non-white friends, cause they know me and they know I don't actually mean it as some sly piece of nastiness. I wouldn't tell the same jokes to people I didn't know, as I wouldn't want to come across as an asshole.

I worked for years as the only female at a big transport company, and I got sick to f**king death of sneaky insults, sly digs and not-so-subtle attempts to belittle and undermine me disguised as 'jokes'. Some people are very good at disguising bullying as 'humour' and are very quick to pull the 'Whoa, I was only joking, what's the matter, can't you take a joke....' any time they're actually called out on their nastiness.

fraser....play on the word where.....replace where with wear and you ask what is wearing the soap away quicker than normal........

phil only gives half the joke so harder for you to understand...you ned to find the right episode of the vicar of dibley...........

Bruce C wrote (see)

Two nuns in the bath ...

"where's the soap?"

"yes, it does,  doesn't it!"

 

 

doesn't really work in written form does it

Stephen E Forde...agree with your post

Don't muck about Dreamtwister, tell her straight.

Dreamtwister wrote (see)

Alot of humour is based on being offensive. It is there to jolt the ignorant, the bigot and also the sterile easily offended head up your arse types.

The comedians like Chris Rock  talk about racism and other sensitive subjects in a very clever and astute way. Of course nobody would call him a racist, because he is black!

The joke is very tame, not particularly funny and anybody that feels the need they "has to respond to shit like this in a strong way" needs to take a good look at themselves. Chill out you boring twat. It's no different to the jokes about paedo catholics. Intelligent people can differentiate between the joke and the reality

Some people say stupid and offensive things because they do not know any other way to behave than to be stupid and offensive.
Just because Chris Rock might be clever and astute does not mean that every who says offensive things can consider themselves to be clever and astute.
Perhaps the reason nobody calls him a racist! is because he isnt one! And that can be deduced from what he says on the subject.

And it is fair comment to say that some jokes have their roots in comedy, and an effort to be funny. But some jokes have roots in stupidy and an intention to be stupid. Some jokes clearly have an intention only of saying "muslims are bombers!",  "Irish are stupid!" and signalling that to like minded people.

Perhaps I didn't express myself quite as well as I could have back there. When I said 'racist and sexist jokes' I should probably have said 'race or gender based jokes' instead. Perhaps that's where I gave the impression that instead of being a boring twat I was actually fucked up big time. LMAO! 

Bos1 already said pretty much what I would have said myself, if s/he hadn't got in there first. Intention. And context. I stand by my previous comments.

I think what is even funnier than any joke, is when people show mock offence, or who become indignant on behalf of others, as in the politically correct brigade. A joke is meant to be fun and will always poke funin one direction or other.

Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

I think what is even funnier than any joke, is when people show mock offence, or who become indignant on behalf of others, as in the politically correct brigade. A joke is meant to be fun and will always poke funin one direction or other.

Given that your posting record is basically a history of snarky and unpleasant comments, your definition of 'mock offence' and 'politically correct brigades' and 'poke funin' are unlikely to shared by many people.

Thank you Bos, I would only expect my views to be shared by very few people, it is something I do have to put up with, but I can understand the reasoning behind it, and if I look back at your posts, it's clear that you would not share, so of course you are excused.