Misrepresentation...

I'm sure Sussex Runner would approve

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14/06/2013 at 13:45

Well I think they are institutionally stupid

14/06/2013 at 13:52

I think that institutionally they are like most other institutions - fine until the government start setting targets and changing rules: like schools, the NHS, the Ambulance Service etc. etc.

Once any job becomes too target-orientated it goes sh*t-shaped. We have a similar project going on at work and it's like nobody cares much about the actual work - only how and when it is recorded (which, incidentally takes as long as the work itself sometimes).

Lee the Pea    pirate
14/06/2013 at 13:53

 Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to get things going!!

Barkle,

Barkles wrote (see)

If you're flogging things, make sure they ain't knocked off, rite? 

 

I can't make any promises Barkles!!!

14/06/2013 at 13:56

Got any garmins going cheap? 

14/06/2013 at 14:04

Nick. I hate to think how long you're going to have to wait next time you get burgled!

But I symapthise. My experiences with the police have not been good, and I'm a nice middle class man with a nice middle class family who doesn't get into trouble. While I appreciate that most of us only come into contact with the police when something unpleasant happens, I think most police I've encountered start with the view that the public are there to be tolerated, barely. Even those I know personally I'm deeply suspicious about. One of them readily admits that he 'likes a ruck'.

I don't think all police-people are bad, but I do think selection should be way more rigorous.  

 

14/06/2013 at 14:13

I've seen the application form and I wonder anyone gets in at all.

One of two things may be the cause:

1. There probably has to be an amount of PC box ticking to make sure there's a good prepresentation across age, race, gender, etc. I expect this would be denied officially but we all know how this stuff works.

2. People get "help" the same as they do with any other CV or application form - they lie or get more literate mates to fill it in for them. 

14/06/2013 at 14:27

You're probably right. When I was 7, i got in some trouble at school. My Mum took me to the local police station and had them lock me in a cell for a day. The police were happy to do it. The same officer that put me in the cell, PC Gilkes, was the officer that came to our school to talk to the class every term - EVERY TERM.

That was 36 years ago. How times change.

Tough job.

14/06/2013 at 14:48

As a law abiding person I don't fall foul of the Police, I am quite a respectable sort really, but I do get wound up when I see the scale of stupidity that exists.

Sorry to disagree but setting targets is how to improve. By targeting good behaviour and acting on poor you will weed out the rubbish that we know is there. Trouble is they seem to want to accept the potential performance rewards but cry interference when it comes to challenging the poor performers. I guess the public service specialists teachers, firemen, police, nurses etc have a lot to lose if it were to be managed more closely in line with public sector, so I can see how it would cause concern.

They do lead a nice working life, with little to challenge the institutional culture

14/06/2013 at 15:21

I think the sort of targets we are talking about here iare different to targetting behaviour, I think that is more likely to be - 'clear 12 cases off your desk in a shift, no matter what they've done', type of targets.

14/06/2013 at 15:22

and Nick, I am afraid you've got that wrong.... as many do. Come and shadow me. genuine offer

14/06/2013 at 15:28
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

 I am quite a respectable sort really, but I do get wound up when I see the scale of stupidity that exists.

They do lead a nice working life, with little to challenge the institutional culture


What is your experience of the public sector? Apart from reading the Daily Fail?

14/06/2013 at 15:40

Many, many years ago I worked in the Inland Revenue. Nothing important (20 years ago).  I had various threats. Got thumped once, and had fun times when we had to inspect our cars before leaving the office due to bomb threats... It's quite interesting having look underneath your car for things attached to it......

Yeah those were the days....  Let me think.... nahh on second thoughts that wasn't really fun.

 

Edited: 14/06/2013 at 15:42
seren nos    pirate
14/06/2013 at 15:47
Snap! wrote (see)

You're probably right. When I was 7, i got in some trouble at school. My Mum took me to the local police station and had them lock me in a cell for a day. The police were happy to do it. The same officer that put me in the cell, PC Gilkes, was the officer that came to our school to talk to the class every term - EVERY TERM.

That was 36 years ago. How times change.

Tough job.

 

can't believe that you were do badly behaved that your parents couldn't find a way to teach you a lesson at home without resorting to wasting the polices time.......

can you imagine what would have happened if at 7 you had suffered a panic attack in a cell ( or had been molested by your cell mate )........a panic attack bringing on a asthma attack or similar and then you dying or being hospitilised......

all because your parents were too lazy to teach you the correct behaviour

14/06/2013 at 15:54
Barkles wrote (see)

I think the sort of targets we are talking about here iare different to targetting behaviour, I think that is more likely to be - 'clear 12 cases off your desk in a shift, no matter what they've done', type of targets.

Precisely. 

Also on my OH's force there are targets on crime prevention so they have a dedicated neghbourhood team working in the community. This worked but who do you think were the first team under threat of being disbanded/redundancy as victims of their own success?

 

14/06/2013 at 17:04
SideBurn wrote (see)

What is your experience of the public sector? Apart from reading the Daily Fail?

Worked in it for a few years and have many friends still in there, sorry if you don't like it but it's how I saw it when I was there and it hasn't changed

14/06/2013 at 17:04

and I don't read any papers

14/06/2013 at 18:56

First hand experience?

Well then, some specific examples, rather than general, sweeping and insulting statements would be appreciated.

I, like you, have experience of the public and private sector and I would not like to promote or defend either; in general.

I have worked with highly motivated and professional people.... and some complete w**kers.

When you work hard and take pride in your work and still get slagged off by people who base their opinion on..... what, exactly?

 

14/06/2013 at 20:21

Low levels of basic competence, poor decision making, and almost non-existent leadership would be the main issues for me. This combined with a refusal to acknowledge that private sector help would make a better service, instead of the old "leave us to do our job" routine, embrace a bit of change and get back to some decent service

14/06/2013 at 20:22

I think I am getting fairly tired of citing recent examples on other threads

14/06/2013 at 21:55

My parents were far from lazy. Did me a world of good.

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