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Dark Vader    pirate
27/09/2012 at 17:11

I heard an interesting twist to this story that now has me confused as to what crimes have actually been committed...

In France, the age of consent is 15 and the French Police, while assisting the UK Police to help locate the pair, are not viewing it as a sexual crime.  Apparently there is NO lower age limit for consent in Kazakstan and across Europe it varies considerably.  Also..  around the world there are variations and obviously other variations of rules relating to same sex relationships and anal sex etc,,,

Therefore, if they deny having had sex in the UK, but did in France or elsewhere, is that still a crime..?  

Also..  if the girl didn't want to press any charges against the teacher for kidnapping (or whatever it is officially called), what interest is it to the CPS to do so..?  There are umpteen cases of under-age sex and teenage preganancy in the UK and I don't hear of these kids all being prosecuted or their boyfriends...

Could it be the case that not much at all will be done, other than the teacher being professionally ruined in terms of his future teaching career..?

And in terms of the variations for consent laws, there are umpteen other laws that vary too..  are we all therefore probably guilty of something because we've been to a foreign country and done something legal there but illegal here...?  

 

Edited: 27/09/2012 at 17:32
27/09/2012 at 17:44

taken from another well known triathlon site

  • under the child abduction act 1984, s 2(1), ‘a person … commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, he takes or detains a child under the age of 16 … so as to remove him from the lawful control of any person having lawful control of the child’ 
  • under s 3, ‘a person shall be regarded as taking a child if he causes or induces the child to accompany him’ 
  • the ‘consent’ of the child is irrelevant; that, as well as the absence of any requirement of force or fraud, distinguishes child abduction from kidnapping 
so, it doesn't really matter if he has had sex with her or not, or broken or not broken any laws relating to this - the guy has still broken UK law even if she doesn't want to press any charges and that's the key issue.   
27/09/2012 at 18:15
How the hell have they been able to keep on the run for nearly a week? Bank cards, phone calls can all be traced. If someone was in a position to hide them surely someone would know who they are. Where could they be and how can they be surviving?
27/09/2012 at 18:38

I have always thought that for a man that age to be attracted to such a young girl - bit of an issue with the bloke.  Reminds me of the total losers who used to go out with girls of that age at my school - you could tell they were the type that couldn't get a girl their own age for whatever reason (usually because they were total losers). 

 

The bits and pieces that have been released of his blog (or whatever it was) saying that he was overcome with the emotion (or whatever bollocks he was using to justify his actions) just emphasise his emotional immaturity.

 

Of course it could just be that she is pregnant and that is the catalyst for the flee. You would have thought better option was to leave wife, wait till girls 16. 

Dave The Ex- Spartan    pirate
27/09/2012 at 18:44
The news today said that the French police aren't trying to trace them, as they haven't committed a crime in France
27/09/2012 at 19:45
Gym Addict - maybe they just preferred chicken to ham!!
27/09/2012 at 20:05

eurgh! ..... no the guys were def total losers - less alpha male - more omega male.

 

 

seren nos    pirate
27/09/2012 at 20:17

I have been thinking...........

so he seems to be saying that he is a bit obsessed with her.and the fact he couldn't wait until she was 16 and he had changed jobs to live with her shows some imaturity and obsession.......

so how would he react if she decided that she was bored of the whole playing happy families and decided she wanted to come home to her family...........or to have her 15 mins of fame in all the papers etc.............

he would be left .hunted by the police..lost his family.his job.............everything .all for her and she had changed her mind as young teenage girls do..................

now if I was the parents this would be my biggest worry as how stable is he

27/09/2012 at 20:25

good point seren.  

 

 

27/09/2012 at 20:40
I think Sussex runner has a point how have they not been traced if they're using cards/phones etc. we keep being told how George Orwell the world is but when we can't find two missing people it's strange or as a colleague mentioned today - maybe the police are keeping a lot of facts close to their chest to avoid messing their case up.

You can bet that the pair are watching the news to see if anyone is getting close to them so it could be a decoy
27/09/2012 at 22:05

I don't think the French are making that much effort.  Understandable from their point of view I suppose.  French law hasn't been broken  and what the teacher has done in the UK (as far as we know) wouldn't be an offence under French law.

Of much more concern is their lack of progress and effort in catching the murderer of that British family in the Alps a few weeks ago.  The French police have effectively given up saying that it could be 10 years if ever before they catch anyone.

27/09/2012 at 23:48

I think the French police are probably just letting people know they think that murder was a professional job and as such it's a bit harder to catch the culprit than it would be if some nutter had done it.   As you were.

28/09/2012 at 07:01
Actually the thinking is now moving to the nutter theory. Was on R4 last night. UK police were critical of the French. Gun used was a Lugar, very common over the border in Switzerland. Lugar only has 8 bullets yet 16 were used so would have had to reload. A professional would have used an automatic to get the job done quicker.
kittenkat    pirate
28/09/2012 at 07:14
Surrey Runner wrote (see)
Actually the thinking is now moving to the nutter theory. Was on R4 last night. UK police were critical of the French. Gun used was a Lugar, very common over the border in Switzerland. Lugar only has 8 bullets yet 16 were used so would have had to reload. A professional would have used an automatic to get the job done quicker.

You have to know what you're doing to get all head shots under that pressure though...

28/09/2012 at 09:44

All the police have to do to catch him is wait until it snows. He'll be back home then. All teachers are housebound and close their school's as soon as a couple of snow flakes fall.

WiB
28/09/2012 at 10:02
kittenkat wrote (see)
Surrey Runner wrote (see)
Actually the thinking is now moving to the nutter theory. Was on R4 last night. UK police were critical of the French. Gun used was a Lugar, very common over the border in Switzerland. Lugar only has 8 bullets yet 16 were used so would have had to reload. A professional would have used an automatic to get the job done quicker.

You have to know what you're doing to get all head shots under that pressure though...

Or looney enough to think what you are doing is correct. I wouldn't consider Breivik a pro but he remained pretty calm and carried out what he wanted to do without much panic by all accounts.

If they were all still sat ordinarily in the car and were most likely unable to move or told not to then its shooting fish in a barrell.


 

WiB
28/09/2012 at 10:51

There are some other strange features to that case though aren't there - but who knows it's all speculation.   Isn't a Luger what the German officers were issued with in WW2 ?

seren nos    pirate
28/09/2012 at 10:51

I think Brevik trained himself up to do teh task he wanted..........it wasn't a spur of the moment thing

WiB
28/09/2012 at 11:01

Training himself wouldn't have taken care of how he kept calm and workman like in what he did. There is no way he had managed to simulate that situation before hand, he had to fully believe what he was doing was correct and necessary, or even normal, to carry it out the way he did. Everyone has the ability to "train" themselves up, so he is not unique in that respect. His mind is just very different to most.

Was this a spur of the moment thing? "Oh I'll just nip out and pop are car full of people in the head with this old pistol I have lying around." As long as they were able to use the weapon (it appears they were proficient enough) and in their mind believe what they are doing is correct then they most likely can carry on in a calculated manner as opposed to shooting wildly. There was very little specialist skill required to do what they did really.

WiB
28/09/2012 at 13:26
They've been found!!!!!
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