Political Correctness

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24/03/2013 at 13:39

I work with a black person who is happy to be called a nigger as that is what she believes she is, in the same way as I am a Limey.  But she would never find it acceptable for that term to be used in a derogatory way to describe her.  Its not the word that is insulting but the intended meaning behind it

seren nos    pirate
24/03/2013 at 13:45

there will always be the odd exception to the rules Caz.......

 

there are people out there that think its still acceptable to for men to have sex with 12 year old girls.........and in some parts of the world now doubt its probably even legal.

there are still people out there who think that women are the property of men and that rape isn't a part of a marriage......in many countries this is still so

but the majority of people in this country think its wrong and so it is not allowed......

we ahve laws and rules to protect the vulnerable

24/03/2013 at 13:49

So should we ban all negative words?  I would be offended if I was called lazy, a scrounger, uncaring, selfish, vindictive and a whole loads of other words.

seren nos    pirate
24/03/2013 at 13:57

the words that i would see/ call banned are ones that are used to be negative for a group/ class of people........its a blanket word.....

 it does not describle the person......it is purely as an insult...and are used just for one group....

OW
24/03/2013 at 14:14
I don't really understand why Pakis is so insulting but Scots isn't. To me we have allowed those who used it aggressively to claim it and permanently entrench it as an insult

Whilst I agree that forced language censorship can be unhelpful, I do see a lot of people who enjoy this sort of discussion, using it to feel free to offend.

Without laws to prevent isms, those who wish to offend, discriminate and attack would be free to do so without fear of consequence. Using common sense to regulate is great but only works with those that have it.
OW
seren nos    pirate
24/03/2013 at 14:17

unfortunately groups have taken over things and made them their own..wasn't the nazi symbol quite innocent before the nazi party took it over..........

24/03/2013 at 14:18

The meaning of Political Correctness has been deliberately obscured by those that feel threatened by it.  The origional sense was to avoid language that has implicit or explicit derogatory connotations, whether offense is intended or not.

It has now become a perjorative term to suggest that public bodies, or other groups are trying to tell people how to think by banning words.  Some words, which I wont list here, have obvious derogatory connotations, and to argue that meanings change is disengenuous.  Some words may have become acceptable to some people, whilst remaining a insulting in the minds of others.  Great care should be taken in the use of these words, and in my mind they are best avoided altogether.

I think there is another cause for confusion, and this is when words, phrases etc don't necessarily cause offence, but serve to reinforce predjudice or normalise unnacceptble behaviour.  The first thing that springs to mind here is the current popularity of 'rape jokes'.  Jokes that belittle rape and sexual assault; make it seem a bit of a laugh.  Whilst the jokes themselve may be quite witty and don't obviously offend anyone, the problem is that, for some people, they may help to justify or excuse their actions.

24/03/2013 at 14:42
I can't abide it when harmless terms like Merry Christmas are banned or replaced because some idiot somewhere thinks someone somewhere is going to be offended by its use. The politcal correctness agenda reaches into our lives in lots of different ways. Sometimes it is reasonable, and sometimes it is ridiculous.

I don't think it is purely synonymous with "not being offensive". I think it has a deeper agenda quite often which is this, "not only do you have to conform with MY way of thinking, you have to adopt it unquestioningly or you will be cast into outer darkness."

George Orwell would have hated it, I'm sure.
24/03/2013 at 14:54
JB it can obviously go too far when people don't consider or don't understand the purpose. A bit like the old ' elf and safety gone mad!'.
24/03/2013 at 15:02

Sometimes people see a PC agenda where there isnt one. Lot of the stories about christmas having been banned turn out not to be true.

seren nos    pirate
24/03/2013 at 15:09

I agree that most ofg the stories about banning christmas are untrue and obviously being used for someones own adgenda......

 

but to fair the churches in this country have not liked merry christmas foir anumber of years..they prefer to write happy christmas..............because the word merry has changed over time......merry is a word associated with being partaken slightly too much in alcohol......

and there is no point in argueing that its still has its old fashioned meaning when half the the population thinks of it in another meaning

 so churches prefer merry not to be used

kittenkat    pirate
24/03/2013 at 15:23

But but but Jesus turned water into wine (with the help of a few grapes me thinks), and there's communion wine, so I think that the 'merry' Christmas thing is an urban myth no?

kittenkat    pirate
24/03/2013 at 15:25

Noah planted a vineyard and got pissed in the Hebrew bible.

24/03/2013 at 15:42

Drunk in charge of an ark

kittenkat    pirate
24/03/2013 at 15:47

That could be one hell of a party!

(SWIDT)

24/03/2013 at 15:54

"couples only"

kittenkat    pirate
24/03/2013 at 15:56

24/03/2013 at 15:57

'political correctness' is just plain good manners.

24/03/2013 at 16:05

Political correctness is a stifling concept - it has to be to encompass the whole range of words that have been hijacked as labeled as 'politically incorrect'

JB talks sense - as usual

 

 

24/03/2013 at 16:21

Our work has an all staff meeting planned for this week and had some chocolate mini-eggs made up with the company logo and the words "Happy Easter" on it.  Apparently they can't give them out in case it causes offense to non Christians.  Now I'm not particularly Christian, but I'm happy to take anyone else's share of choccies if it saves them from being offended.  Selfless or what?

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