Political Correctness

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24/03/2013 at 21:18

I think Polly Toynbee has it right when she calls it 'an empty right-wing smear designed only to elevate its user'. Will Hutton said 'political correctness is one of the brilliant tools that the American right developed in the mid-1980s as part of its demolition of American liberalism...What the sharpest thinkers on the American right saw quickly was that by declaring war on the cultural manifestations of liberalism - by levelling the charge of "political correctness" against its exponents - they could discredit the whole political project.'

For myself, I think there is really no such thing as political correctness, and certainly no such thing as a political correctness movement, simply continuing discourse on a range of issues, some of which has value, some of which does not.

24/03/2013 at 21:21
Johnny Blaze wrote (see)
I can't abide it when harmless terms like Merry Christmas are banned or replaced because some idiot somewhere thinks someone somewhere is going to be offended by its use. The politcal correctness agenda reaches into our lives in lots of different ways. Sometimes it is reasonable, and sometimes it is ridiculous.

I don't think it is purely synonymous with "not being offensive". I think it has a deeper agenda quite often which is this, "not only do you have to conform with MY way of thinking, you have to adopt it unquestioningly or you will be cast into outer darkness."

George Orwell would have hated it, I'm sure.

Please give me an example that isn't made up of 'merry christmas' being banned.

24/03/2013 at 21:54

To be fair I think that "Happy Holidays" came about as a catch-all that covered Christmas, Kwanzaa and Hanukkah. Let's face it the last nation in the would that's going to want Christmas to lose its identity is the US.

The irony is, of course, that it sort of does.

24/03/2013 at 22:09
Peter Collins wrote (see)

Please give me an example that isn't made up of 'merry christmas' being banned.

When I worked for Coventry City Council we weren't allowed to decorate the office for Christmas in case it offended people.    

25/03/2013 at 09:15

Protecting the Few from offence or perceived offence causes offence to the many, why is this ignored?

26/03/2013 at 15:07

Well said EKGO.

And..why is it, that as an average, hetro, athiest, white (supremacist! pmsl), middle aged, working class, British male, I don't find anything anybody says offensive? I can't think of one word or phrase that could be used in my company or about me that would bother me in the slightest. Well, unless I was in a bad mood, but then it would just be grumpiness and sayng anything would offend me.

So why do some social, political or ethnic groups take offence so easily?

 

26/03/2013 at 15:09
popsider wrote (see)
Peter Collins wrote (see)

Please give me an example that isn't made up of 'merry christmas' being banned.

When I worked for Coventry City Council we weren't allowed to decorate the office for Christmas in case it offended people.    

That's not what I'd call political correctness. If true, it's just stupidity.

26/03/2013 at 15:10
Lå®Ð䮧€ wrote (see)

Well said EKGO.

And..why is it, that as an average, hetro, athiest, white (supremacist! pmsl), middle aged, working class, British male, I don't find anything anybody says offensive? I can't think of one word or phrase that could be used in my company or about me that would bother me in the slightest. Well, unless I was in a bad mood, but then it would just be grumpiness and sayng anything would offend me.

So why do some social, political or ethnic groups take offence so easily?

 

Ah shut up, ya bloody jogger !!

26/03/2013 at 15:12
Ah but Coventry was full of wacky politicians. Where's Dave Nellist when we need a laugh ?
26/03/2013 at 15:13
EKGO wrote (see)

Protecting the Few from offence or perceived offence causes offence to the many, why is this ignored?

Well, just as one example, faced with a demand from the majority to be allowed to use the 'N' word to describe the only black person in a workplace, I know which side I'd be on (and it wouldn't be the majority). This is why I think this is simply about continuous discourse, with the answers changing with fashion and mores. I've taken a pretty extreme example to show why the majority might not always be right just because they're a majority. That will apply to lots of other situations - but there'll always be grey areas and also people who say and do very silly things in the name of an imagined equality issue.

26/03/2013 at 15:25
Peter Collins wrote (see)
Well, just as one example, faced with a demand from the majority to be allowed to use the 'N' word to describe the only black person in a workplace, I know which side I'd be on (and it wouldn't be the majority).

 

But what if his name actually IS Nigel ?

 

26/03/2013 at 16:17
Peter Collins wrote (see)
EKGO wrote (see)

Protecting the Few from offence or perceived offence causes offence to the many, why is this ignored?

Well, just as one example, faced with a demand from the majority to be allowed to use the 'N' word to describe the only black person in a workplace, I know which side I'd be on (and it wouldn't be the majority). This is why I think this is simply about continuous discourse, with the answers changing with fashion and mores. I've taken a pretty extreme example to show why the majority might not always be right just because they're a majority. That will apply to lots of other situations - but there'll always be grey areas and also people who say and do very silly things in the name of an imagined equality issue.


There lies the problem, the arrogance of the few that choose what is right for the many is more offensive than any words
26/03/2013 at 16:47

Most people don't say anything that they think may offend someone, but there are some people who deliberately set out to look for offence, even where it's not intended.

seren nos    pirate
26/03/2013 at 17:07

and some groups find it hard to stand up for themselves..........if we allow verbal abuse of minorities such as blacks and those who are disabled or homosexual.....or who are not white supremists........... then we are closing a blind eye to physical abuse of those groups...

and then we live in a society where there are beatings and murder just because the person dislikes the other group.......

 we live in a country where there are rules to protect these groups .

if you want to live in a country where its ok to dab insults over the doors of poeple because they are of one particular group.then you are close to ethnic cleansing countries or countries where they thought it ok to steralise everyone who wasn't NORMAL...

26/03/2013 at 18:04
Peter Collins wrote (see)
popsider wrote (see)
Peter Collins wrote (see)

Please give me an example that isn't made up of 'merry christmas' being banned.

When I worked for Coventry City Council we weren't allowed to decorate the office for Christmas in case it offended people.    

That's not what I'd call political correctness. If true, it's just stupidity.

The boss thought the community groups we worked with would have felt excluded - we were in a very ethnically mixed area.    I doubt they would have cared tbh but I suppose impressions count and as we didn't decorate the office for other festivals with a religious basis he felt we shouldn't do it for Christmas.   I wouldn't say it's stupidity as you can see his reasoning  - I would say it's a case of political correctness.   

26/03/2013 at 18:29
seren nos wrote (see)

and some groups find it hard to stand up for themselves..........if we allow verbal abuse of minorities such as blacks and those who are disabled or homosexual.....or who are not white supremists........... then we are closing a blind eye to physical abuse of those groups...

and then we live in a society where there are beatings and murder just because the person dislikes the other group.......

 we live in a country where there are rules to protect these groups .

if you want to live in a country where its ok to dab insults over the doors of poeple because they are of one particular group.then you are close to ethnic cleansing countries or countries where they thought it ok to steralise everyone who wasn't NORMAL...

I'm not advocating any of the above. Racism and discrimination are wrong, but my point was that some people look for offence where none is intended.

seren nos    pirate
26/03/2013 at 18:34

there wilkl be a minority rickster.....maybe after years of suffering abuse its hard not to be oversensitive..

also there is a minority that set out to deliberatley cause offence.....

 

Its a shame that we have to try and get a common sense set of values that is acceptable to all.....but not many other ways to prevent the minority spoiling it for all


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