right to do what?

Its about sex isn't it.

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15/08/2013 at 17:06

Russian pole vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva criticises World Championships athletes who painted their nails to support gay rights.

Ok, so she lives in a country where 71% of people declared that homo-sexuals should be executed.

An extreme view, but on the basis that someones sexual orientation is a private business, I find the idea of 'gay' parades and all that 'I'm gay' in your face stuff a bit off putting.

Some people are footballers, some are runners, some play golf or collect stamps. Some people make their pastime 'being gay'?

Is that the problem when 'gays' feel they are being persecuted?

 

15/08/2013 at 17:55

Oh lord. Really? 

15/08/2013 at 18:00
Edited: 15/08/2013 at 18:00
15/08/2013 at 19:12

Perhaps you should ask some gay people instead of making assumptions about them.

Being gay as a "pastime" - Jeez

15/08/2013 at 19:57

Screamapillar.

Once again you're jumping in with your usual, "I know what you are thinking".

You don't.

There are gay people who simply go about their everyday lives like most other people, doing normal things, keeping themselves to themselves.

Then there's that other type. The sort who at a 'tell us something about yourself', situation, simply stands up, states their name and without pausing for breath declares,'and I'm gay'.

Well I'm hetrosexual but I don't add that as a suffix when introducing myself. 

I accept that gay people exist. I don't mind what they do.

I just don't want it rammed down my throat thanks.

15/08/2013 at 20:03

And I'll say what I said last time. Why do you feel the need to say anything at all?

Gay people aren't hurting you whether they're being out and proud or keeping it to themselves so why should it bother you so much that you feel the need to air your opinions about it on here?

 

Edited: 15/08/2013 at 20:05
15/08/2013 at 20:27
Screamapillar wrote (see)

And I'll say what I said last time. Why do you feel the need to say anything at all?

Gay people aren't hurting you whether they're being out and proud or keeping it to themselves so why should it bother you so much that you feel the need to air your opinions about it on here?

 

Daily need for an argument Screamy?

15/08/2013 at 20:30

RicF - I'm gay. I'm very open about it. I stand up and say I'm gay. Want to know why? Because this is heterosexual world, you don't need to come out as heterosexual. I wish I didn'tneed to come out as gay. But given that that the majority of people assume I'm heterosexual when I meet them, I am constantly correcting them when they assume wrong.  In an ideal world we wouldn't need to 'push our gayness' in your face and we could just 'go about our business'.

But have a little think about it will you? Can you hold your partners hand in the street without anyone giving you a second glance/shouting verbal abuse at you/threatening you with violence? Did you risk losing your family because of who you are (my sister didn't speak to me for 2 years because I'm a lesbian)? Have you always had your relationship legally recognised? Are you able to talk about your partner at work without fear ofdiscrimination? 

Being gay in britain, despite  the homophobia or ignorance that exists, is bloody luckycompared to other countries. Russia - what's happening there is shocking. Uganda. How many countries do you get executed in for being heterosexual? Until there are no countries where you can get executed for being gay, I will ALWAYS push my sexuality in your face and everyone's face.

 

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15/08/2013 at 20:32

Well said Kafeeg

15/08/2013 at 20:35

RicF, I think you're also missing the point of 'gay pride' or other pride movements a bit too. It's not about pushing something in your face for the sake of it. It's because of all the things kaffeeg said - basically, it's a reaction to the idea that being gay is something to be ashamed of. Saying that you're 'proud' of something that's innate doesn't make very much sense, as I think you're trying to point out. That is also what 'pride' movements are saying: that 'shame' (i.e. not being able to hold your partner's hand in public, having to avoid gendered pronouns so people won't act differently around you) is just as ridiculous. The end goal of pride movements is to get to the point where being gay is so normalised that no-one needs to talk about it at all any more, which is sort of what you're asking for too.

15/08/2013 at 20:39

Screampillar - 

15/08/2013 at 20:41

The end goal of pride movements is to get to the point where being gay is so normalised that no-one needs to talk about it at all any more, which is sort of what you're asking for too.

   Exactly.
15/08/2013 at 20:44

...which means you see the point of them and we all agree, right? 

15/08/2013 at 20:45

This is like the feminism debate the other day where the idea seemed to be that the cause was somehow best served by feminists shutting up and going away.

It doesn't work like that.

15/08/2013 at 20:51

tell them cyclists ought to pay road tax.

15/08/2013 at 20:53
kittenkat wrote (see)
literatin wrote (see)

...which means you see the point of them and we all agree, right? 

Damn, it's boring if we all try and agree or find common ground. I'll go back to tri and suggest something universally obnoxious.

Don't worry, I think the reason for not having to talk about gay things is not agreed by ricF and the rest of the sensible world. 

15/08/2013 at 20:54

That's not what I said, I said we have to talk about it now in the hope that one day we won't have to talk about it.

15/08/2013 at 20:56
literatin wrote (see)

That's not what I said, I said we have to talk about it now in the hope that one day we won't have to talk about it.

I know. I think ricF just wants to fast forward to that bit and bugger the (quite important) part in between.  

16/08/2013 at 08:15

OK, but I have to say that I don't see why they shouldn't - if it irritates you it's your problem - not theirs.

 

16/08/2013 at 09:47

if all these carpet munchers looked like olivia godfrey off sky sports news i would be a fan.

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