right to do what?

Its about sex isn't it.

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15/08/2013 at 17:06

Russian pole vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva criticises World Championships athletes who painted their nails to support gay rights.

Ok, so she lives in a country where 71% of people declared that homo-sexuals should be executed.

An extreme view, but on the basis that someones sexual orientation is a private business, I find the idea of 'gay' parades and all that 'I'm gay' in your face stuff a bit off putting.

Some people are footballers, some are runners, some play golf or collect stamps. Some people make their pastime 'being gay'?

Is that the problem when 'gays' feel they are being persecuted?

 

15/08/2013 at 17:55

Oh lord. Really? 

15/08/2013 at 18:00
Edited: 15/08/2013 at 18:00
15/08/2013 at 19:12

Perhaps you should ask some gay people instead of making assumptions about them.

Being gay as a "pastime" - Jeez

kittenkat    pirate
15/08/2013 at 19:22

Haha, I thought I was doing a great job of being unpopular in tri, but Ric has clubhouse nailed!

I think that there should be awareness raised if people feel opressed or threatened because of something that is a natural, peaceful (added this in case someone tries to argue for psychopaths ) and integral part of their psyche and life.

The thing is that if you make a fuss about something, it only creates more awareness and attention for that 'something'.

Which might have been the intent all along.

15/08/2013 at 19:57

Screamapillar.

Once again you're jumping in with your usual, "I know what you are thinking".

You don't.

There are gay people who simply go about their everyday lives like most other people, doing normal things, keeping themselves to themselves.

Then there's that other type. The sort who at a 'tell us something about yourself', situation, simply stands up, states their name and without pausing for breath declares,'and I'm gay'.

Well I'm hetrosexual but I don't add that as a suffix when introducing myself. 

I accept that gay people exist. I don't mind what they do.

I just don't want it rammed down my throat thanks.

15/08/2013 at 20:03

And I'll say what I said last time. Why do you feel the need to say anything at all?

Gay people aren't hurting you whether they're being out and proud or keeping it to themselves so why should it bother you so much that you feel the need to air your opinions about it on here?

 

Edited: 15/08/2013 at 20:05
kittenkat    pirate
15/08/2013 at 20:11

By 'fuss' I meant the complaint by the pole vaulter. Just to clarify.

kittenkat    pirate
15/08/2013 at 20:19
Screamapillar wrote (see)

And I'll say what I said last time. Why do you feel the need to say anything at all?

Gay people aren't hurting you whether they're being out and proud or keeping it to themselves so why should it bother you so much that you feel the need to air your opinions about it on here?

 

However, within the gay community as with every demographic; there will be good and bad. But that should be judged under 'people' rather than sexual orientation.

So some gay people may be punching him in the face, but not because of sexual orientation. And this isn't a direct slight on him, anyone can be unlucky by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

However, as a little aside. Most people don't know how to punch properly.

kittenkat    pirate
15/08/2013 at 20:20

And if you get punched a lot, you are either a twat or need to change your drinking hole.

15/08/2013 at 20:27
Screamapillar wrote (see)

And I'll say what I said last time. Why do you feel the need to say anything at all?

Gay people aren't hurting you whether they're being out and proud or keeping it to themselves so why should it bother you so much that you feel the need to air your opinions about it on here?

 

Daily need for an argument Screamy?

15/08/2013 at 20:30

RicF - I'm gay. I'm very open about it. I stand up and say I'm gay. Want to know why? Because this is heterosexual world, you don't need to come out as heterosexual. I wish I didn'tneed to come out as gay. But given that that the majority of people assume I'm heterosexual when I meet them, I am constantly correcting them when they assume wrong.  In an ideal world we wouldn't need to 'push our gayness' in your face and we could just 'go about our business'.

But have a little think about it will you? Can you hold your partners hand in the street without anyone giving you a second glance/shouting verbal abuse at you/threatening you with violence? Did you risk losing your family because of who you are (my sister didn't speak to me for 2 years because I'm a lesbian)? Have you always had your relationship legally recognised? Are you able to talk about your partner at work without fear ofdiscrimination? 

Being gay in britain, despite  the homophobia or ignorance that exists, is bloody luckycompared to other countries. Russia - what's happening there is shocking. Uganda. How many countries do you get executed in for being heterosexual? Until there are no countries where you can get executed for being gay, I will ALWAYS push my sexuality in your face and everyone's face.

 

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15/08/2013 at 20:32

Well said Kafeeg

15/08/2013 at 20:35

RicF, I think you're also missing the point of 'gay pride' or other pride movements a bit too. It's not about pushing something in your face for the sake of it. It's because of all the things kaffeeg said - basically, it's a reaction to the idea that being gay is something to be ashamed of. Saying that you're 'proud' of something that's innate doesn't make very much sense, as I think you're trying to point out. That is also what 'pride' movements are saying: that 'shame' (i.e. not being able to hold your partner's hand in public, having to avoid gendered pronouns so people won't act differently around you) is just as ridiculous. The end goal of pride movements is to get to the point where being gay is so normalised that no-one needs to talk about it at all any more, which is sort of what you're asking for too.

kittenkat    pirate
15/08/2013 at 20:35
kaffeeg wrote (see)

RicF - I'm gay.

I'm not gay but I have a lot of friends who are. Two of my best female friends are together and they are like aunties to my kids. They held them in the hospital when they were born and just volunteer to take them out on day trips. My kids love them and have grown up with them, it's normal to my girls as much as it is to us. I love that.

15/08/2013 at 20:39

Screampillar - 

15/08/2013 at 20:41

The end goal of pride movements is to get to the point where being gay is so normalised that no-one needs to talk about it at all any more, which is sort of what you're asking for too.

   Exactly.
15/08/2013 at 20:44

...which means you see the point of them and we all agree, right? 

kittenkat    pirate
15/08/2013 at 20:44

And they have asked me if 'A' and 'B' are married, they aren't so I said not. But my kids do actually understand that they are together like I am with their father. They have known no predudice or any adult input in their lives (as yet) to suggest anything negative or unatural about it. They are going to get a shock unfortunately when they do find that some people are homophobic to the point of violence.

15/08/2013 at 20:45

This is like the feminism debate the other day where the idea seemed to be that the cause was somehow best served by feminists shutting up and going away.

It doesn't work like that.

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