Road tax rant!

Thieving gits!!!

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08/02/2013 at 14:31
Sussex Runner (NLR) wrote (see)
How about we do away with it altogether and collect the duty from petrol? The more you use the more you pay. It's no good moaning about something unless you come up with a better system to replace it. Any other ideas?

I think this was mooted a few years back. Your mileage would be tracked so that your road tax would depend how much you use the road. not bad idea but it was deemed 'unworkable'. not to mention a bit creepy.

cougie    pirate
08/02/2013 at 14:34
Is it any creepier than your gas being metered ? Or water ? Or electricity ?
08/02/2013 at 14:38

no. it's just a bit creepy. a bit. not a lot. like i said it wasn't a bad idea.

08/02/2013 at 14:49

Blimey, that prompted a few responses! I bought my car new 10 years ago before these new emissions based tax bands occured, which should answer a few questions. But my issue is not with the tax itself, it is the excessive surcharge for daring to not be able to afford it in one go. I just think a 10% charge is unfair. There must be thousands of families out there with people carriers for all their offspring that are also caught out - I thought the government was supposed to be out there helping low income families. I'm not one of those though, just got a normal medium sized car with a petrol engine, not a fire breathing turbo monster.

08/02/2013 at 14:49
You buy the fuel, you pay the extra 4p. What's creepy about that? Why do you have to track anybody's mileage? Nobody can drive without fuel. Or if they do they would be exempt anyway. Am I being missing something?
08/02/2013 at 14:52

i didn't say that was creepy. that sounds like it would probably work.

i'm saying someone suggested something similar (but more complicated) before which continued to collect the money through a tax but using your idea of a pay as you drive, kinda deal.

08/02/2013 at 14:58

Here's a more reasonable example - I pay my TV Licence quarterly and they charge £1.25 a quarter extra for the privilege. I'd ather not have to pay any extra but at least that seems reasonable.

08/02/2013 at 14:59

If you collect duty on fuel classic vehicles, and those that are VED-exempt, would be effected.

We have two vehicles, one of which is liable to VED and one which isn't.  The one that is is far more efficient and economical, even with its massive engine (anything between 6MPG and 40MPG), is the one that's liable.  The VED-excempt one is a '72 VW T2, which is an unaerodynamic, fuel-gobbling, 2.0 twin-carb brick on wheels.

Edited: 08/02/2013 at 15:01
08/02/2013 at 15:00

oh yeah that's true. i drive an MG and don't pay owt.

08/02/2013 at 15:28
Peter Everitt wrote (see)

But my issue is not with the tax itself, it is the excessive surcharge for daring to not be able to afford it in one go. I just think a 10% charge is unfair. There must be thousands of families out there with people carriers for all their offspring that are also caught out - I thought the government was supposed to be out there helping low income families.

Look at this from the revenue collection point of view - one collection per annum is cheaper than 2 due to admin costs, issuing notices, issuing tax discs, finance handling etc.   the 10% levy is to cover those secondary costs.   I have no idea whether 10% is too high/too low/about right to cover these additional costs but bearing in mind that they way that HMRC have been criticised recently for generating a few £million on 0845 calls for taxpayers calling them, I would suspect that the 10% is OTT and DVLA will be making some excess money from it.

and they aren't penalising low income families - the DVLA have no idea what your income is - they are just applying the same terms to all vehicle owners.

08/02/2013 at 15:38
fat buddha wrote (see

and they aren't penalising low income families - the DVLA have no idea what your income is - they are just applying the same terms to all vehicle owners.

I think they are indirectly - if you can't afford to pay in one go then you are being financially penalised regardless of the intentions of the extra charge. Income tax is collected monthly for those employed - self employed (do correct me if I'm wrong) submit an annual return and receive a tax bill. No surcharges in either case there?

08/02/2013 at 15:41

DVLA and HMRC are different agencies so work in different ways

and yes - HMRC do levy surcharges - for late submissions of income tax forms or late payments of outstanding tax

08/02/2013 at 15:46
fat buddha wrote (see)

and yes - HMRC do levy surcharges - for late submissions of income tax forms or late payments of outstanding tax

Sorry fat buddha, you're not convincing me with your point - a charge for not paying on time is reasonable (the rate may or may not be). That's not the same as my gripe.

08/02/2013 at 16:03

I've emailed DVLA to query this - may as well get the answer from the horse's mouth!

08/02/2013 at 16:06

PE - I'm just giving some food for thought.  will be interested to see if DVLA respond and how they justify the 10% (which I also think is excessive btw)

08/02/2013 at 16:08
I think the British public should have the choice to pay how they wish. I don't agree with people being penalised for not paying by direct debit. If I pay my gas bill on time then my money is as good as any direct debit. I'm not a fan of people having unlimited access to my bank so would rather pay by Bacs but they offer 80 pounds incentive for DD.
I'm with Peter on this one. The less well off end up paying more because they have less choices. It's time we were given the right to choose how we pay and not be penalised for it.
08/02/2013 at 16:11
Waste of an email, don't think for one minute there will be anyone answering it that gives a toss
08/02/2013 at 16:22

Sussex Runner - don't get me started on the utilities!! I'm one who also refuses to pay by DD and is forced to pay extra. What for?? They send you a bill regardless of how you pay so no extra cost there and you save them the bother of collecting the money by going to the bank and paying directly into their accounts!

EKGO wrote (see)
Waste of an email, don't think for one minute there will be anyone answering it that gives a toss

It would be unfair to keep moaning particularly if by some miracle they can justify the charge. Apparently it is three days for a response. No doubt they've been asked this many times so will have a stock answer...

08/02/2013 at 16:32

It's not a surcharge for paying in two instalments.  It's a discount for paying in one.

08/02/2013 at 16:42

I don't think so Intermanaut - but we'll see what DVLA has to say. I think they do need to look at the road/car tax (whatever) as it is very expensive now and it is not always possible to get a lower emmissions vehicle. I think it's time for them to consider a proper instalments scheme. I don't want to change my car and even if I did, it would cost thousands to save a relatively small amount so there really is no incentive.

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