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07/12/2012 at 21:24

You can. It's intentionally or recklessly inflicted nervous shock.

seren nos    pirate
07/12/2012 at 21:29

why pretending to be someone you aren't.they should be on their gurads againgst that sort of thing.i would have expected lots of press and public to phone up to try and get some information...........it was such an obvious thing to do.........who on earth would believe that royalty would use the phone system....

how on earth did they inflict a nervous shock.she picked up the phone.they asked to be put through and she did that........not exactly a nervous shock situation....they doidn't tell her that a family memvber had died or that she had cancer.........they asked to be put through to a ward

07/12/2012 at 21:51

They inflicted on someone who isn't in the limelight the nervous shock of having her voice, answering the phone, broadcast on hundreds of radio and TV stations all around the world, including e.g. the BBC TV News and Radio 4 News as their lead item. How would that make you feel, it you were portrayed in a bad light, this fool who gets a voice impersonating Her Majesty the Queen very badly, and yet you treat the call as bona fide and pass it on - subsequently being left thinking everybody is talking about you and laughing at you for your foolishness?

You are excusing pranksters for the consequences of their prank. If they hadn't carried out their prank, in all probability the woman would be alive now.

The trouble with pranks is that people don't accept the blame for the consequences that flow from them. You're trying to say they aren't to blame. They are to blame. They were reckless as to the consequences of their prank, and now someone's dead.

Edited: 07/12/2012 at 21:57
seren nos    pirate
07/12/2012 at 21:56

if that was enough to push her over the edge.......then there was not much chance for her.......

 then surely the BBC  and all the other news stations etc are just as guilty as the pranksters.they are the ones that fed it to the world........otherwise if it was on an australian radio station she would bnever have heard it........

seren nos    pirate
07/12/2012 at 21:58

if you call me an idiot on here and i go away and get upset and kill myself....is it really your fault as you called me an idiot

no the responsibility is with the person who commits suicide.even if they have to have many more problems for it to get that bad for them

07/12/2012 at 21:59

The CAUSE is the pranksters themselves, who chose to create a news item which would obviously be spread around the world if they pulled their prank off and broadcast the result.

The media aren't the cause, they are simply reporting the news.

The pranksters are to blame, assuming the woman topped herself because of how the prank left her feeling. The media aren't to blame.

07/12/2012 at 22:00

it doesn't seem clear yet exactly who was to blame. we may never know.

it is possible that she was placed under huge scrutiny at work because of the incident. maybe her job was at threat. but possibly not. it is possible that the media attention laced huge pressure on her which she couldnt cope with. or possibly not. there may be a million other issues in her life which we don't know about which conributed to this. or possibly not.

we just don't know.

 

 

seren nos    pirate
07/12/2012 at 22:03

crap......the media reported it because they thought the poublic wanted to hear it.so its the public who lapped up the story w3ho can take the blame..the media only spread the story as you lot were all interested in in.........

see.its easy to pass the blame....they did a prank/ joke.nothing major ...nothing threatening....they protended to be the royalty......how on earth is that a crime...and before she killed herselfhow many people were thinking.what a funny joke.or how did they get away with that...........

07/12/2012 at 22:14

wow, runners' world, the compassionate forum.

Full of... fucking hypocrites....

Edited: 07/12/2012 at 22:16
07/12/2012 at 22:31

If you listen to the whole clip from the radio station... these were a couple of complete amateurs.  The only thing they intended to do was goof around and get an English receptionist on the line... and get cut off. I'm certain that that was to be their joke.

It was absolutely clear that they were totally unprepared to get past the receptionist. They didn't know what to say

08/12/2012 at 10:04

I feel sorry for everyone involved in this.  It was a childish prank, unfunny and trying to get confidential information that they were not entitled to was wrong, But they couldn't have foreseen this as an outcome and must be devestated. Kate herself must feel very sad about it all at a time when she needs rest (not that I'm a royalist but she's still human). We all make mistakes and hindsight is always 20/20. Its tragic set events and apportioning blame is a bit soon right now for me.  There are possibly a number of things that contributed. 

Condolences to her family. 

Edited: 08/12/2012 at 10:04
08/12/2012 at 10:20

+1

 

08/12/2012 at 11:17
Colin McLaughlin wrote (see)

You can. It's intentionally or recklessly inflicted nervous shock.

Did you just make that pile of crap up??

08/12/2012 at 11:43
Edited: 08/12/2012 at 11:50
08/12/2012 at 11:49

I think Leveson has demonstrated the risks of quoting from wikipedia. 

The other key phrase in your quote is "intentionally or recklessly". To prove that is a very high hurdle which is beyond the scope of an internet thread. 

 

seren nos    pirate
08/12/2012 at 11:51

i think tose who are making threats etc to the pranksters are much worse

08/12/2012 at 11:52

No one's trying to prove it, Soup Dragon. I was asked, "Did you just make that pile of crap up??" Answer, no, liability for nervous shock is a well-recognised area of law; here's a wikipedia page that discusses the general area.

If you want to delve into it further, buy yourself a textbook on the law of tort.

Edited: 08/12/2012 at 11:54
seren nos    pirate
08/12/2012 at 11:54

how did they cause her a nervous shock.they spoke briefley on the phone while she transferred them......

its not like they suddenly jumped out on her.................and said boo loudly

08/12/2012 at 11:58

I don't need to buy a book on tort thank you.  

Seren - I agree, and the hypocrisy is staggering. Advertisers didn't complain at the time of the prank I don't think. So it was okay for them then and only now have they pulled the plug. Same with the threats to the presenters. Says a lot about human nature, the mob mentality is so strong.

Time to move on now I think. 

08/12/2012 at 12:06

They are likely to have caused her nervous shock by e.g. (a) telling her it was the Queen phoning, (b) inducing her to tell someone else it was the Queen on the line, that other person therefore divulging confidential information, (c) there being a major row in the hospital once it was discovered it was a prank caller she had put through, fingers pointing to her as the primary culprit, and all the related embarrassment and explaining; (d) having to report to senior staff in a series of internal investigations; (e) hearing her voice on radio and TV receiving the call and putting it through, because the only bit the media played was her part of the conversations, the rest being a breach of privacy;  (f) she becoming profoundly upset, alarmed and depressed and ultimately killing herself - I imagine by an overdose.

It's all rather foreseeable that if you pretend to be a caller you aren't, and succeed in your mission, someone else is going to end up in trouble for the chain of events, and be made to feel bad about themselves. How they deal with that depends on their own mental stability, but you must take your victim as you find them.

I'm actually surprised that there's someone dead, yet you're repeatedly coming back and trying to excuse the pranksters, seren nos. This is typical of pranksters: going too far in what they do, but then retreating from the consequences when serious harm results.

They must take their victim as they find her. If she isn't as robust as you and me, and they play a prank on her, and it upsets her so seriously she takes her own life, then they and their employers should take responsibility for it and not just shrug and say oh well, it's an accident, just one of those things, nothing to do with us.

Pranksters want freedom without responsibility.  

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