So, the kids want a dog...

They're bloody desperate

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01/06/2013 at 05:03
Surrey Runner wrote (see)

For  a young family best to go with a golden or a lab.  They are easy to train and aren't going to bite the kids.  They also love and need excercise.  You are much less likely to get dominance problems as well.

There were some stats published a couple of years back in the Independent. Goldens had one of thr highest incidents of nipping / biting a family member. That's mainly down to the numbers, and the perception that they are a safe breed, so having a kid crawl all over the goldie, poking its eyes out isn't seen as a concern.

Having said that, I have two. After dinner it is time for World Wide Wrestling - they operate as a tag team. I'm undefeated to date, and unscathed.

They are both quite tall males, slim build, weighing no more than 33kg each. Wrestling rules dictate their combined weight can't exceed mine.

Rescues apart, If I bought another dog today, it would be a Golden, Flat  Coat, or downsize to a Duck Tolling Retriever.

I used to look after dogs. Worst long time resident was a Newfoundland - too much slober on the ceilings. Favourite was a Border Collie - full on active dog.

 

 

 

01/06/2013 at 09:47

I'm not sure what all this focus on whether or not a dog is going to nip a child - in nearly all cases the child provokes the dog and there is no harm done. It can be a good lesson to learn as well - when you are told not to keep poking the dog because it will bite you and the child doesn't listen and gets a bite - whose fault is that!? When I was growing up our dog used to bare her teeth at us and be possessive over food and toys and I certainly felt her teeth a few times but so what? If kids think their dog won't do anything when poked, prodded, kicked etc then they might think all dogs will be the same - that's not a good lesson to learn!

01/06/2013 at 15:45

Peter,

 

sounds like your dogs had dominance issues.  A dog should not be possive over food or toys regarding a human at any rate.  when our golden was young we would routinely remove her food while she was eating.  Dogs are very hierarchical animals and they need to see all human members of their 'pack' including children as being above them.

01/06/2013 at 17:10

I train dogs, mainly ones with behavioural problems.

ANY dog can be dog or human aggressive. The most % of dog bites occur from labs and goldies, 'family' dogs. Reasons: lack of training, exercise, boundaries. Humans babying dogs. Bad genetics. Poor socialisation in critical formative age Etc..

Kids and dogs - teach kids how to behave around the dog. I volunteer at a rescue and have had to rehome dogs which according to the owner weren't child friendly.. Neither would I be with half a pencil deep in my ear canal (discovered on vet exam) courtesy of their darling offspring. 

Removing food while a dogs eating is THE fastest way to make it a bitey resource guarder.. If someone kept taking my food away as I was eating I would stab them with my fork! Better to add food to the dog's bowl while eating so he associates it with good things instead.

Plenty of cross-breeds out there and I don't mean the designer trend of crossing everything with a poodle in the hope of it not shedding (myth!) and charging £££ for a mongrel. Rescues will have suitable dogs, often with a history too, so why pay loads for a pedigree if you just want a pet?

Don't get a highly intelligent breed - collie, GSD, poodle unless you're prepared to train it. A bored GSD can destroy a room in minutes. Don't get a husky unless you're going to work it by running or biking. 

Working breeds can be difficult if not trained - herding dogs are bred to nip to control stock, then some people wonder why the dog's nipping their kids when it plays. In today's Blame Claim culture a dog only has to yawn at a child for some parents to deem it 'dangerous'. 

Research the breed, don't buy for coat colour or looks. Take someone with you who knows dogs. And the whole family. Don't be pressurised by rescue staff - some say the dogs got to be out in a week or it will be pts.

Never buy from a back yard breeder, no matter how sorry you feel for the dog.. You're just perpetuating their evil trade. Walk away and report them to the local authority, not R£PCA. 

Check out some gun dog rescues, a lot have lovely dogs that are just gun shy and therefore 'work' failures. They make great family pets. 

01/06/2013 at 20:30

Feral, 

We took our golden's food away regularly when she was young and now she is the most gentle dog imaginable.  Our two year old niece can do virtually anything with no danger. We have never hit her btw.

02/06/2013 at 17:56
Surrey Runner wrote (see)

Feral, 

We took our golden's food away regularly when she was young and now she is the most gentle dog imaginable.  Our two year old niece can do virtually anything with no danger. We have never hit her btw.

SR,

Sure if you do it when they're pups there's usually no issues. I deal with problem dogs & rescues so was coming at it more from that perspective. We get ones in where owner has tried to be Cesar Milan (other TV celebrities are available) and think they're being 'Alpha' by putting food down & taking it away multiple times.. Then wonder why dog resource guards!

Most pet dogs are over-fed anyway so that reduces resource guarding.. By that I mean the dog knows it will get fed x times a day.. and will often remind owners of the time. Though if an owner withheld food for a week, and THEN messed with the dog's food when they put it down.. I think one would see a different set of behaviours...

05/06/2013 at 16:45

Get a Border Terrier.  Great wee dogs, will exercise as much or as little as you like, practically no health problems to speak off, fantastic with kids, not too big, reasonably long-lived.

Retrievers and labs - would go for working stock if you can as some of the pet breeders just aren't up to scratch.  Only do this if you can put the time and effort in to keeping them occupied.  What kind of dog owning experience do you have already?

Flat coat retrievers - nice dogs but they will die of cancer.  Often quite young.  Not so nice.

05/06/2013 at 17:56

+1 for Labrador. We have a 9 yr old choc lab. He runs with me & we keep him nice & trim. Kids are 7 & 3 and have grown up with him. He is incredible with them and incredibly patient. Having said that, we are v strict about the kids treating our animals properly. 

06/06/2013 at 13:21

I'd go for a rescue dog every time.  All this talk about dogs biting kids really annoys me -  the kids need training as well as the dogs.  If I told a child to stay away from my dog, I'd expect them to do as I ask - if they didn't then I'd be having a few words with the parents.  Dogs need to be treated with respect and not mauled by badly trained children!

I have a rescue Jack Russell and he is great with kids and people of all ages.  He just loves to be fussed and loved.  Maybe we're just lucky with his temperament, but I'd also like to think that this is a reflection of the way we treat him and train him.

 

07/06/2013 at 05:48

Seconded for a border terrier, lovely dogs and shouldn't shed (although ours does)...

We took ours up snowdon the other week and he was still bouncing around afterwards  

01/04/2014 at 13:57

I know it's been a while but we did get a family dog in the end. We have a rescue dog, about 4 years old, that came from Greece. She is a mongrel of note, looks different from every angle and is an absolute darling with the kids. 

We know her history and it seems she grew up with a family but was largely ignored.

And she runs.

http://s4.runnersworld.co.uk/members/images/455210/gallery/sofiephoto_(3).jpg?width=350

 

01/04/2014 at 15:04

Nice dog Snap! I'd only recently been reading about dog rescues in Greece re-homing all over Europe. Do you have to translate the barks or are you bi-lingual?

01/04/2014 at 15:08

Joking apart, we have tried speaking Greek to her but it didn't work, probably because our intonation was wrong. She learned English commands very quickly. And she still hasn't barked.

01/04/2014 at 16:45
Lovely dog Snap
01/04/2014 at 16:54

Cheers! 

seren nos yn canu    pirate
01/04/2014 at 17:02

gorgeous......quick question....why are we rehoming dogs in this country from abroad......have we run out of dogs who need adopting

 

seems strange to me to ship dogs here.what with the need for passports etc for them ..wouldn't it make it very expensive

 

01/04/2014 at 17:09

I know what you mean.

For my part, I approached a local rescue home and the dog we were after had already been re-homed. A couple of weeks later they approached us, saying they had a dog that they all thought would be a great family dog. We met the dog and really, at that point, I didn't care whether she came from Greece or not.

Anyway, she's got a good home, and most rescue organisations here won't home dogs with children under 12. And as someone else has said on here, they're all staffs. I've nothing against staffs but I see so many of them in the wrong hands, I don't want a problem one in my home. And not sure how a staff would stand up to my running program.

01/04/2014 at 18:35

She looks absolutely gorgeous Snap! Congratulations on the new addition to your family and new running partner.

seren nos yn canu    pirate
01/04/2014 at 20:08

snap......most rescue centres won't supply adult dogs to houses with children as its hard to assess the nature of an abused or neglected dog.....

 how did they satisfy you that this dog would not have any problems with young children.......wonder what tests they do

 I know most recommend having a puppy if you have young children so that its doesn't carry mental scars

tricoops    pirate
01/04/2014 at 20:32

We lost both our dogs, a Rhodesian Ridgeback and a Springer in February (in the space of 48 hours). We now have an 11 week old springer puppy and it is giving me mental scars! It is like a furry exocet with needle like teeth. Add a 4 and 6 year old boy into the mix and I go to work for a rest!

 It is so easy to forget how much hard work a puppy is when you get used to your grown up lovable old dog. You can't take a puppy running either. I am so looking forward to him calming down and being able to run on the fells with me next summer.

Snap, enjoy your running companion.

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