So what's the answer...?

So: Labour were crap, the Tories are crapper and the Lib Dems would sell their souls for a chocolate Hobnob.

True democracy is dead because nobody can be bothered to vote; people working full time still have to have their wages topped-up by the state; nobody can afford to retire but there are not enough jobs for the young; disabled people are simultaneously being made redundant and threatened with a reduction in benefits; utility and transport companies only exist to make profits and "value" butter costs £1.19... 

What's the answer? What would you do differently? Or do we need a fecking revolution?

I have never failed to vote in my life

I have always thought that if people can't be bothered to vote, they have abdicated their choice, and can have no further comment

A lot less people, here and in world in general would be a start.

oh and it should be compulsery to vote

Dave The Ex- Spartan wrote (see)

I have never failed to vote in my life

I have always thought that if people can't be bothered to vote, they have abdicated their choice, and can have no further comment

No, neither have I but would you not agree that it is a problem if the government is becoming increasingly less representative of its people? Whether you blame the voter or the government it's still a problem. So what's your solution?

Compulsory voting will only work if you are given the option to choose "none of the above". Being forced to vote for someone you don't want to vote for is about as undemocratic as it gets.

I can't even begin in telling you what's wrong about that statement  Dave, so I won't bother. 

You sound like Mitt Romney.

That is not a good thing.

basically screampillar were all f****d and theres nothing we can do about it.

its been happening for years and now the proverbial shit has hit the fan its too far to have a resolution.

the revolution idea does sound good though

Screamapillar wrote (see)

 and "value" butter costs £1.19... 

What's the answer? 

Try Aldi, or Lidl

(or use less butter - it's not good for you anyway).

Tesco have Kerrygold on two for £2 at the moment, too.

shop at asda......welsh butter £1........

a few years ago one of the christmas hamper comnpanies went bust.................the 1000s who had saved their pennies and pounds with them lost their christmas presents and vouchers a few weeks before christmas...these were mainly very low income households,...........the government was sorry but couldn't help.........

but when the bank crisis happened and those who had more than £30,000 in savings in one bank discovered that they might lose part of those savings........especially those who had invested abroad to get a better deal...then the government stepped in to guarantee the savings.............

so which group really needed the governments ....and which group has the influence to persuade the government to help

I was just using butter as an example of rising prices. A couple of years ago you were only paying that for the posh stuff, otherwise it was about 79p.

Given its ingredients, the ease of manufacture and that fact that we have a dairy industry in Britain there's no way it should be so expensive.

I think the answer to your question Seren is that we all need government to govern fairly and apply the law, bailouts, etc. consistently and yours is an example of them patently not doing that. 

The answer, if you don't like what's on offer, is to start your own political party and seek the votes of the people to your own way of running things.

If you can get enough votes, you can run things your own way.

Colin McLaughlin wrote (see)

The answer, if you don't like what's on offer, is to start your own political party and seek the votes of the people to your own way of running things.

If you can get enough votes, you can run things your own way.

..or join one of the established parties to influence their policy.

BUT there's no point just saying "That's not fair!" you have to offer an alternative.  Do you increase benifits and minumum wage etc so the poor have more money or does this just lead to higher inflation?

Do you increase corporation tax on multinationals or does this just lead to companies funnelling their profits elsewhere?

Do you subsidise farming to keep food prices low or does this lead to overproduction and wastage?

No easy answers, but one thing I am sure of is that the old left/right dogmas need to be forgotten.

you guys sound like the internet.

Actually, I have wondered why butter has gone up so much, when milk hasn't.

It is because there would be more fuss if milk (which is seen as an essential) went up loads, but butter is seen as a bit of a luxury?

Are butter users subsidising milk-drinkers?

whichever political party is taking its turn to play at government at a particular moment isn't something that interests me much.

if that means I have no right to complain, that's fine. i've no intention of complaining.

relax. there has never been a better time to be alive than now.

although I am a keen butter eater, so perhaps I should complain

You could make your own butter, but having done some research, it seems you would need two gallons of milk to make a pound of butter.

At £1.29 for half a gallon, the home-made butter would be a lot more expensive than in Tesco.

what about bread thats expensive 

 (keeps the ball rolling )