Straw poll - Do you think Oscar will get bail??

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kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 15:45

But all you're doing is watching the media circus with smug circumspection; which is what most people do in these high profile cases. WE have no idea but let's make it up from the Mickey Mouse (can you tell I've just come back from Disney?) media. He is either guilty, more guilty, or even more guilty... I guess. Which will be what it will be?

Edited: 23/02/2013 at 15:45
kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 15:46

And yes he is guilty of killing someone, I don't think he should have got bail.

23/02/2013 at 15:47

lets look at the facts here!!

there were 2 people in the house. no one else is around.

ones alive the others now dead. 

looks like murder to me. am i right?

kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 15:48
Ja5onW wrote (see)

lets look at the facts here!!

there were 2 people in the house. no one else is around.

ones alive the others now dead. 

looks like murder to me. am i right?

This is like friggin Cluedo! Neither you or I know the facts, but you believe what you read in the media obviously.

kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 16:13

David, I'm listening but I switch off after 3(...) ellipses. Don't promise that there's more behind your statement (which is what multiple ellipses do) without giving us that meaty content. I'm not a grammar Nazi like the gorgeous Wilkie but I do admit to switching off to people who can't construct basic sentences.

 

23/02/2013 at 16:13

one shot maybe, as a warning.

would probably aim at the floor to be safe, but the facts that have been released so far (by the meadi i know!!) she was crouching and the bullets entered from an upwards position?

then pistorius claimed he wasnt wearing his legs!

 

23/02/2013 at 16:14

whats with the.........doesnt......make.......sense........to.......me?

kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 16:16
Ja5onW wrote (see)

one shot maybe, as a warning.

would probably aim at the floor to be safe, but the facts that have been released so far (by the meadi i know!!) she was crouching and the bullets entered from an upwards position?

then pistorius claimed he wasnt wearing his legs!

 

Yeah I don't believe it was self defense either at all.

23/02/2013 at 16:30

play kiss chase???

23/02/2013 at 16:32

It's far too early to tell what kind of sentence he'll get. Even if he is found guilty of premeditated murder (which has a mandatory life sentence in South Africa, in practice 25 years without possibility of parole) the judge will take into account any "extraordinary circumstances" that apply and might mean he gets a shorter sentence.  

If he's convicted of culpable homicide rather than premeditated murder, its theoretically possible that he might not receive a custodial sentence because South Africa has no minimum sentence for culpable homicide. But I honestly can't imagine that he'd escape a custodial sentence based on what we know of the facts of this case. 

 

23/02/2013 at 16:38

What I do think is that any sentence he gets will be substantially reduced because his lawyers will argue that his disability constitutes an "extraordinary circumstance" (which seems to be like a "mitigating factor" in sentencing in English law). Whether I agree with that or not, his legal team would be beyond stupid not to make the most of it. 

 

Someone told me that in South Africa, the prosecution and defence aren't allowed to introduce theories at trial that haven't been covered in the bail hearing. Does anyone know if that's true? Sounds completely stupid to me!  

kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 16:39
xine267 wrote (see)

It's far too early to tell what kind of sentence he'll get. Even if he is found guilty of premeditated murder (which has a mandatory life sentence in South Africa, in practice 25 years without possibility of parole) the judge will take into account any "extraordinary circumstances" that apply and might mean he gets a shorter sentence.  

If he's convicted of culpable homicide rather than premeditated murder, its theoretically possible that he might not receive a custodial sentence because South Africa has no minimum sentence for culpable homicide. But I honestly can't imagine that he'd escape a custodial sentence based on what we know of the facts of this case. 

 

But he has power and influence, he is SA's golden boy and with that transcending race and other more traditional influences. That is exactly why his fall from grace is so lamented by SA, because they believed they had a hero that united people and filled in some of the cracks of apartheid.

23/02/2013 at 16:41

Which of the following applies.

1. He shot someone unknown dead, in the heat of the moment.

2. He shot someone he knew dead, in the heat of the moment.

3. He shot someone unknown dead after thinking about it for a minute or two.

4. He shot his girlfriend dead after thinking about it for a minute or two.

5. He always planned to execute any intruder he ever found in his house.

6. He had planned a long time in advance to murder his girl-friend.

kittenkat    pirate
23/02/2013 at 16:46

But now we have an expose of what exactly? How violent SA is in the gated communities of the super wealthy (not at all if you look at the stats)? Or how paranoid people living in a very violent countries are despite money and security? Or how legal access to guns by people in their 20's, teens, etc affects how emotions could then be expanded to utilise a weapon when you would punch a hole in the wall and fall into bed snoring without one?

I could go on... My point is that we will never know really.

23/02/2013 at 16:52

I worked once with a guy from South Africa who was a manager there of a branch of MacDonalds.

He said he always carried a gun while on duty and had received an award for fighting off a raid by criminals.  The gun was used.

23/02/2013 at 18:09
He's a Johnny Foreigner. Who the feck really cares ?
Hope    pirate
23/02/2013 at 19:56
Gosh David F3.... That was a rather exciting read!
I still reckon it was colonel mustard :/
24/02/2013 at 11:21
I don't know if they will be able to find enough people to make up a jury who aren't already on a murder charge themselves. I reckon murder in SA is a bit like 3 points on your driving licence here.
24/02/2013 at 11:57
South Africa doesn't have trial by jury.
24/02/2013 at 13:36
Sussex Runner (NLR) wrote (see)
I don't know if they will be able to find enough people to make up a jury who aren't already on a murder charge themselves. I reckon murder in SA is a bit like 3 points on your driving licence here.

I guess when they get to 12 points they have one of their guns taken away for a day or two and get sent on some sort of refresher course in blowing someone head off.

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