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03/04/2013 at 10:40
Savi : alot of schools are now acadamy status , the ones here have slightly different holidays , one gets 4 weeks summer break and another 2 weeks in September .
At least teachers know when they can take leave , i have to compete with requests from all the other working parents , trying to get time off with their kids.
It's not sacrifice during the 11 yrs kids are at school for families to adapt their holidays ,
and no one forces teachers to take a job with such annual leave conditions .
03/04/2013 at 10:42
savi wrote (see)
I hope they didn't go in to teaching


Don't be silly

03/04/2013 at 10:47
I never said anyone did nor have I said anything against the annual leave. I did respond to a point made about the cost of holidays and that non teacher families may, if they wish, take holidays at a time that suits their circumstances.
03/04/2013 at 10:49

It is nice sitting at the airport waiting to fly off on holiday in August watching hundreds of screaming kids coming the other way out of the airport, Knowing they will be safely tucked up in class rooms whilst we are away.

03/04/2013 at 10:54
got to go now anyway, work calls revision classes to run.
03/04/2013 at 11:03

yes but savi, if the nation adopted more terms, then they could cunningly be staggered so there is no standard holiday (with the exception of Christmas).
At the very least this would iron out the ridiculous spiking of prices for half terms, and summer months, and therefore the need to take holidays in 'term time' for cost reasons.

Edited: 03/04/2013 at 11:04
03/04/2013 at 11:19

But how will we know when to go away to avoid the "little darlings" ?

03/04/2013 at 11:42

Dave - avoid the canaries, mainland spain, eurocamps in France and florida.

03/04/2013 at 11:45

Tenerife has been brilliant the last couple of years (1st week in March), and we avoid the others at anytime of the year

Edited: 03/04/2013 at 11:45
08/04/2013 at 17:35

( drums fingers)

08/04/2013 at 17:43

Oh, yeah... did anyone see this about the benefits of testing and performance-related bonuses for teachers? http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/29/us/georgia-cheating-scandal/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

08/04/2013 at 17:47

Yes,I read it intently.

If anyone wants homework, 500 words on the merits / challenges of having a numercially target-lead industry. ( health comparisons welcome)

09/04/2013 at 08:40

Or even better, an essay on the criteria that determine which jobs work well with performance-related bonuses and which don't.

09/04/2013 at 08:41

Unfortunately I have 1500 words to do for my real teachers!

09/04/2013 at 08:48

Performance related bonuses.. yes thats an interesting one. I am to be allowed to pay my staff bonuses.

Of course the budgets have been cut, so that if I decide to pay someone extra, I have to atke if away from soneone else.

Highly motivating to be told, ' You'rs marvellous, I have decided that you are worth a bonus. Unfortunately I can't as we don't have any money..'

Good thinking Mr Gove

09/04/2013 at 12:39

If they get PRP, and I get Performance Related Tax?

09/04/2013 at 13:27

What's wrong with monitoring the performance of teachers?  Pretty much everyone else in the working world gets monitored by some kind of personal development plan, so why should they be any different?  And, given the reports that lots of kids are coming out of school unable to read and write properly shouldn't we have been performance monitoring a long time ago?!?!?!?!?

09/04/2013 at 13:35

Remove the heads as Business leaders, make them just senior teachers and allow a general manager to run each organisation, someone accustomed to managing people, budgets, safety and change

09/04/2013 at 14:52

Everyone knows that Performance Management is a load of crap, no matter what line of work you're in.  When I ring up personnel (they *hate* been called that...that's why I refuse to call them HR ), I always finish the call with the feeling that I've just been duped again, and that performance management is an industry in itself.  There are loads and loads of studies that suggest that Performance Management fosters the wrong behaviours in employees.

Having said all that, who said schools don't have performance management?  As far as I'm aware, they have done for years.  However, part of the problem with performance management in schools (in terms of expected SATS results) is that the kids just end up as records on a spreadsheet with some arbitary target against their name.  I.E., "Kid Number 1" must get a Level 5 at Maths.  This takes no account of the abilities of the child, the improvement they may have made even if they haven't reached Level 5, or if he he/she is just having a bad day on the SATs exam (i.e., the pet hamster died that morning).  I don't know what the answer is though.

Edited: 09/04/2013 at 14:52
09/04/2013 at 17:06

How can performance management be crap as a concept, it can only be badly managed by those who administer it, done well it works very well. If what you're saying is schools will fail to administer it properly then there is a cure. You simply can't say a concept is crap when clearly it works in business.

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