Term time holidays

For or against?

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26/07/2014 at 07:32

Personally I don't believe it has any effect whatever on a child's education, especially a young one and can actually be much more beneficial than sitting in a classroom.

It was a school holiday (during term time) that gave me a lifelong love of history and I spent most of December every year out of class practising for carol concerts. Whatever it was I missed by not being lined up in front of a blackboard -  I never missed it.

26/07/2014 at 07:39
Term time holidays are disruptive to the class, the pupil So should be banned

And it would mean the price of flights and apartments wouldn't suddenly halve on Sep 1st
26/07/2014 at 07:54

Is that for or against? Two contradictory comments there Dave...

26/07/2014 at 07:56
Children should be in school during the school term

Nothing contradictory about holidays dropping in price after the schools have gone back, if you haven't got school age kids Think we travel on 1st sept
26/07/2014 at 07:56

Kinda annoying for the teacher who can't deliver their planned lesson cos half the class have buggered off on a cheap holiday, or for the rest of the class who miss out on a planned activity cos there aren't enough to make up the numbers. Teachers and the rest of the school staff are required to be there; so are the children.  Unfortunately most don't see it that way and only consider the impact on their own child and holiday budget.  And in my experience (parent and partner of a teacher) the vast majority of parents who take their children out of school for a cheap(er) holiday can well afford the more expensive version during school holidays, so it's rarely a case of 'cheap holiday or no holiday'

26/07/2014 at 08:00

To be clear: I'm sure it  can piss  teachers off and I don't dispute that - I'm talking specifically about the actual effect on the child.

 

26/07/2014 at 08:05
Dave The Iron Ex- Spartan wrote (see)
Children should be in school during the school term

Nothing contradictory about holidays dropping in price after the schools have gone back, if you haven't got school age kids Think we travel on 1st sept

Oh I see, yes, because it  benefits YOU.  Given the conversation about the NHS I should have realised. Sorry about that.

 

Edited: 26/07/2014 at 08:07
26/07/2014 at 08:14

If my kid came home from school one day and said that geography was being done by a supply teacher for two weeks because Mr Jones had found a really good deal on Expedia, I'd be mightily pissed off. Because that would indicate a cavalier attitude to the school and to education ... ditto when it's parents doing the same with the kids.

 

26/07/2014 at 08:14
As a teacher, it's a pain in the arse because our performance is managed, and a holiday can have a big effect on test scores. However, in the long term, I don't think they cause the child any problems and can have a beneficial effect. So if only the Department of Education would stop being so bloody short-termist, everything would be fine.
26/07/2014 at 08:19

Being honest CJ that's what it's all about for the government really isn't it? Concern for the kids is just a smokescreen.

I definitely think they should leave it up to the school's discretion.

I'm pretty sure the parents who do it aren't asking to do it every year. 

 

Edited: 26/07/2014 at 08:27
26/07/2014 at 08:32

It isn't always an economic thing  though is it Mutts?

If you work in somwhere where lots of people have school age kids, chances are you aren't always going to be able to have the holidays that fall out of term time. 

I've had to take all sorts of less than ideal holiday dates because of the way my OHs leave works and the job he does. I'm pretty sure parents aren't immune to that

Interestingly, neither of the parents I saw interviewed on the new this morning cited economic reasons. One had a child with cerebral palsy who wanted to take her son to a place that had special facilities for him. It was booked up during the school holidays so she requested to be able to take him towards the end of term. The school refused.

Another bloke had been unable to book leave during the holidays for 4 years running. When the same thing happened on the 5th year he took his kids away during term time and accepted the fine he was given. 

Edited: 26/07/2014 at 09:20
26/07/2014 at 09:23

Schools should decide on a case by case basis - it should only be an issue if a child has poor attendance and / or poor grades, otherwise leave it to the parents to decide what's best for their child and family.

For what it's worth, both my kids are now at high school and I wouldn't choose to take them out of school in term time (both 100% attendance this year) but that should be my decision and not the government's. 

26/07/2014 at 10:00

I think the holidays are good for kids.  It lets them, well, be kids.

It's another topic where the powers that be are trying to play schools/teachers off against parents, IMHO.

Edited: 26/07/2014 at 10:01
26/07/2014 at 10:33
It's a pain in the arse when teachers go on strike????, I took my kids out for one day which I had to get a letter from work, only then did the school authorise it, saved me ??600.00 apparently the kids classes only watched videos that day. The teachers have had three strike days, we have lost money due to having to look after them.
26/07/2014 at 11:02

Yeah, these teachers, standing up for their rights and acting within the law as they do so. Outrageous.

Nice bit of whataboutery there, mind ...

26/07/2014 at 11:37
No not comparing it all and good for anyone who stands up for themselves. But like everything two sides to all stories and a lot of parents are fed up with having to pay fines, then the teachers go on strike.

A couple of days around a half time shouldn't need letters from work. Surely.

When both my kids have had 100% attendance apart from one day. The eldest won the progressive prize for his year and best maths, while the youngest got all straight A's in her report. Does that sound like two kids that have done bad this year.

As for politicians they are are as bad as each over.
26/07/2014 at 11:47

I think a week outside of yrs 10 and 11 should be automatic, anything else only if there is a good reason.    Yes it is often just to save money but what is so bad about that - times are tight for many people.   

 

26/07/2014 at 12:57
Let's just be clear, teachers don't issue fines. The local authority do. So why it has anything to do with us taking legal industrial action I don't know.

Also, a lot of people seem to view a strike day as a free holiday for us, forgetting that we are voluntarily giving up a day's pay.
26/07/2014 at 13:44
Yes it benefits me now, having had 20 plus years of living with school age kids it's rather nice ....

If you don't like it, don't have kids or font have holidays, your choice
26/07/2014 at 16:10

Time off during school time= two thumbs held high for Faithsdaddy.  It's cheaper, there aren't any kids.... .  My only question is, why ask permission?  Just do it.  30 seconds each day to renew the sickness to the school's answerphone.

It's pathetic that schools aren't being at least a little bit flexible.  It's weak and overly conformist to ask permission.  My greatest contempt is for the do-gooders who don't care if time off is reasonable, it's that you're breaking the rules.  Pathetic.

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