The law of nature....

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04/09/2012 at 22:32

The black and white law of nature: Strong survive. Weak die.

In modern society where there is cure for most diseases and things such as obesity and mental health issues are becoming more common...

Do we fight against the law of nature?

What is weakness and what is strength?

Edited: 04/09/2012 at 22:36
04/09/2012 at 22:41

Black and white until you attempt to define strength and weakness.

A strong medical system means that fewer people die from diseases and the average age of the population is increasing.

A strong society means that predators are kept at bay and Humans are now top of the food chain in most global areas.

Strong charitable organisations, a benefit of a philanthropic society, mean that other strengths can be shared with at-risk populations.

What is the law of nature really?  Is it unnatural to advance science and technology when you have the intelligence that we have developed?  Are we just living in harmony with the law of nature?

04/09/2012 at 22:47
Being at the top of the food chain also means we're top of the awareness league where our needs turn to helping others, in doing so we must slow down the standard evolutionary developmentiWeb allow the weak to compete with the strong artificially so we weaken the gene pool, big topc!!
04/09/2012 at 23:10

Evolution doesn't care what happens to you once you've raised your children.

It makes no difference to the "law of nature" whether you live to 50 or 90. As long as you get to have grandchildren.

04/09/2012 at 23:14
Yes I guess that's right a 45 year old man is irrelevant to evolution unless he is breeding which many still are, my point is we keep the weak alive to maturity nowadays and so it has to have an evolutionary effect
04/09/2012 at 23:18

What is weak?  By keeping the "weak" alive you are not weakening the gene pool but strengthening it.  Species are wiped out when they become so specialised that they are unable to adapt to environmental change.  Keeping "weak" genes in the pool is a hedge against future change where the weak may become strong.

04/09/2012 at 23:22

Indeed, those who are obese now, may be the ones best suited when the famine comes

04/09/2012 at 23:25
Or it would at east be prudent to have one around, just in case
04/09/2012 at 23:44
Isn't it survival of the fittest?

Where fittest means best suited to the environment.
05/09/2012 at 08:34

The reason for obesity is man made - humans are consuming foods that they are not  built to eat.Processed foods are scientifically built and our digestion was never built to process it.Obesity is the bodies way of fighting against and showing us there is a problem. No other life form has developed changes in their foods which directly harm their species .If an animals food source dries up it dies. Human (so called intelligence) has led to nicotine addiction,drugs alochol all man made issues which will help to bring about the demise of the entire human race.Survival of the fittest is more important now than it has ever been.The people that can eat correctly and stay fit without becoming addicted to man made substances will survive,the rest are being warned on a daily basis.

05/09/2012 at 09:28

Human beings are also becoming less immune to disease, the next generation is already showing signs of have less ability to hold off flu or ashma, so science is sometimes weakening the human race, what is the point of a cure for say cancer if at the same time we are dying from influenza.Weakness will always be found out anyway and strength will always push forward, it's no coincidence that people in poverty in modern countries are also the least optomistic, strength means you have the ability to always fight harder for what you need to survive. Poverty in countries ravaged by war and famine is obviously different but there is still a section that is strong and finds a way to survive - with or without morals.

05/09/2012 at 09:43
If we lived in a culture where we knew we were going to be killed "Logan's Run" style at 50(rather than 30) maybe we would be happier knowing our destiny. We could work until we were 40 and spend all our money on some great times over the last 10 years. Our parents wouldn't be a burden on us and we wouldn't be a burden on our kids.
05/09/2012 at 10:03
kittenkat wrote (see)
Elli of the North wrote (see)

The black and white law of nature: Strong survive. Weak die.

In modern society where there is cure for most diseases and things such as obesity and mental health issues are becoming more common...

Do we fight against the law of nature?

What is weakness and what is strength?

There was a snippit on the BBC this morning about poverty in Britain, it featured a fat mother who claimed she was so poor she had to skip meals.

Are mental health problems growing? I don't think actual ones are as opposed to people being not happy with their lot. ?? Dunno...

That's an interesting point, but not just restricted to mental health issues but other health issues that have apparently "increased" in the last 20,30,50 years. I wonder how much is an actual increase and how much is that we are simply better at diagnosing the conditions now?

05/09/2012 at 10:58

People are being kept alive much longer by medical technology, but it means that they may spend their last 10 years enduring a lot of pain or suffering. Before the advent of improved medical techniques people would have died younger, but their suffering period would have been shorter. For example, about 60 years ago pneumonia was nicknamed 'old man's friend' because it would finish him off, where as nowadays someone may suffer with dementia for 20 years.

Of course it's great that people can live longer and they can be cured of illnesses that would have killed them at one time, but living to 100 doesn't necesarily mean having a good quality of life.

05/09/2012 at 11:08
kittenkat wrote (see)
Elli of the North wrote (see)

The black and white law of nature: Strong survive. Weak die.

In modern society where there is cure for most diseases and things such as obesity and mental health issues are becoming more common...

Do we fight against the law of nature?

What is weakness and what is strength?

There was a snippit on the BBC this morning about poverty in Britain, it featured a fat mother who claimed she was so poor she had to skip meals.

Are mental health problems growing? I don't think actual ones are as opposed to people being not happy with their lot. ?? Dunno...

I saw the BBC news and heard the comment about missing meals and my first reaction was that she couldn't have missed many in her life.  That is the strange think about poverty today, prior to probably the last 30 years poor people were thin and well off people were likely to carry extra pounds and in the world's poorest countries this is still the same.  Today in the western world this situation has just about reversed with well off people much more likely to at a size and weight we would all class as good and many less well off likely to be overweight.

05/09/2012 at 11:22

There is a curious theme here -  that what humans do is not part of nature.

I doubt that it is very easy to apply the idea  'survival of the fittest' to the current situation and work out what will be 'fittest' in the future.

'Survival of the fittest' gets understood only in retrospect.

05/09/2012 at 11:37
Poverty has a very strange definition in the UK. 20% are below the poverty line, with 60% of them being home owners.

Effectively it is a relative definition based on what most of us earn.

Fit is a relative term. I'm more fit than I need to be to carry out my every day task of driving to work, sitting at a desk and occasionally wandering around.
05/09/2012 at 12:34
Edited: 05/09/2012 at 12:35

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