I may not be the most independent of observers, but watching United on Saturday, they are nowadays a long way removed from the invincible squad of 2 to 3 years ago.
Their decline is quite clear now, despite the talent at their disposal. Two years ago, if they went one behind, you know they would come back and score three or four - Cole and Yorke were on fire then.
Now, they don't, and can't. Their defence is a bit of a joke with schoolboy howlers from the Nevilles, Blanc and Barthez a regular feature, and a 'thin; forward line these days.
Early days yet, but they may struggle to reach a Champions League qualification place this year.