Trolls

Why are some people so bloody stupid?

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LIVERBIRD    pirate
20/09/2012 at 13:20

Just seen on the news that a 22 year old man has been arrested for setting up an offensive page about the two murdered policewomen in Manchester.

Why do people do this? Are they just thick or do they actually think it's funny to mock the dead?

And how far should we go with limiting what people say in cyberspace? Is it actually ACTIONABLE to tweet Tom Daley and accuse him of letting his father down, if that's what the dumbass really thought?

I know there is a malicious communications law but do we need to review it?

 

20/09/2012 at 13:31

The problem with trolls is that they are anonymous. They are sick little braindead scumbags. Perhaps if the addresses of these trolls were given to the familiies of the murder victims, they wouldn't be so keen on posting their sick material.

20/09/2012 at 14:01

I don't think it was the tweet that said he'd let his father down that got that guy into trouble, it was the subsequent tweets threathening to drown Tom Daley and stab other Twitter users that criticised him.

I'm all in favour of free speech but I also like the phrase "your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose beings", people should of course be able to express their opinions, but when their behaviour crosses the line from expressing an opinion to criminal behaviour, whether that's harassment or malicious communication or something even worse, then they shouldn't be THAT surprised when the censure switches from other people tweeting that they are out of order to a knock on the door from the police.

It's not as though online behaviour doesn't have consequences - how many sites have been shut down and content removed for copyright or trademark infringement of huge brands? I don't know why people are so stupid as to think that because they do something online they won't get caught.

I don't know what drives trolls to do what they do, there was an interesting programme with Richard Bacon a few months ago where he tracked down a guy who had posted offensive messages about a boy that had committed suicide to ask him why he did it. One of his terrible justifications was that it was a reaction against all the "hypocritical" posts from people who didn't know the victims saying how much they would be missed. But again, there's a big difference between saying that someone is a hypocrite for jumping on a bandwagon, and setting out to hurt the victim's family.

Here's the link, if anyone is interested:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dwg1n

20/09/2012 at 14:18

Psychopaths and sociopaths use the Internet as well. There are plenty of people with no social conscious.

What makes someone think it is acceptable to do anything that will hurt another in any way that is malicious?

Trolls just think it's about them. They like to think that they can control and manipulate.

20/09/2012 at 14:44

You're over-analysing it.

Some people really are as thick as pigshit.

20/09/2012 at 15:05

It could be someone just looking for a reaction. Which is why half of us on this forum deal in rhetoric. In the case of the police; to paraphrase the historian Niall Fergerson, to some people, the police are just another gang.

20/09/2012 at 15:19

Attention-seekers looking for their 15 minutes of fame, maybe?  (and being as thick as pig shit, too, of course!)

20/09/2012 at 15:22
I just watch Wilkie deal with trolls & muppets
kittenkat    pirate
20/09/2012 at 16:06
Muttley wrote (see)

You're over-analysing it.

Some people really are as thick as pigshit.

Thicker if it was a curry and beer night for the pigs.

kittenkat    pirate
20/09/2012 at 16:20
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

It's just another form of hobby you shower of Cnuts!!

You spelled cunt wrong.

20/09/2012 at 16:27

KK - that's my job!

kittenkat    pirate
20/09/2012 at 16:36
Wilkie wrote (see)

KK - that's my job!

Fair point.

20/09/2012 at 17:06

When websites allow people to post other than in their real names, they separate freedom from responsibility. Posters are enabled to say what they like under cover of anonymity. It isn't surprising that some people will choose to be rude, offensive, threatening, sinister, careless, reckless, defamatory, et cetera, in what they say. Such is human nature. The ability to post without giving your real name brings out the worst in certain types if they think no one knows who they are and there will be no consequences. They would behave differently, I'm sure, if they could only post under their real names.

Personally I'd prefer it if everyone used their real names online, but that isn't the way the internet has developed. Trolling and other offensiveness is simply a consequence of anonymity being freely available across the internet.

Edited: 20/09/2012 at 17:06
20/09/2012 at 17:15
Colin McLaughlin wrote (see)

When websites allow people to post other than in their real names, they separate freedom from responsibility. Posters are enabled to say what they like under cover of anonymity. It isn't surprising that some people will choose to be rude, offensive, threatening, sinister, careless, reckless, defamatory, et cetera, in what they say. Such is human nature. The ability to post without giving your real name brings out the worst in certain types if they think no one knows who they are and there will be no consequences. They would behave differently, I'm sure, if they could only post under their real names.

Personally I'd prefer it if everyone used their real names online, but that isn't the way the internet has developed. Trolling and other offensiveness is simply a consequence of anonymity being freely available across the internet.

You're obsessed with real names, you're constantly on about it.

And you're not correct on real names making behaviour better as a rule. Surely you've seen the countless examples of idiots using their own twitter accounts in their own name to abuse people.

You're no less anonymous using the name you write under then anyone on here. Noone knows anything about you, you could be anywhere in the country, and there's probably 100s of people with the same name. So how are you not anonymous really?

20/09/2012 at 17:26

Person A being offended by something Person B said does not take away Person B's right to say it. Person A has no right to not be offended.

LIVERBIRD    pirate
20/09/2012 at 18:23
I know a lot of people's real names on here. When I meet them in real life I use their name. On here I'll call them by their online name.
I'm just as big a pain in the arse in real life. Honest
20/09/2012 at 18:31

As  a long term internet geek, the thing that has depressed me the most has been the misappropriation of the term 'Troll' over the last couple of years by lazy journalists. None of the examples above can really be described as trolls, they're just obnoxious idiots. 

20/09/2012 at 19:54

I can verify that LB is just the same in real life.  And she knows my real name and where I live so she will probably be round tomorrow to beat me up

21/09/2012 at 10:46

Why are they called Trolls? Just wondered.

I see many examples of bad posts and comments, some are clearly aimed at being downright deliberately offensive, some are simply having a laugh or expressing a contrary or comic opinion in a heavy handed way, and people get a little more offended than they should.

If it's a personal insult or aimed at simply belittling people (which is never really productive) I don't like it. I would add that when someone new posts something and is maybe a little off the mark some of the responses I have seen from regular posters are a little insulting and more nasty than they should be, and I find that offensive at times. Each to his own I suppose  

LIVERBIRD    pirate
21/09/2012 at 10:48
Caz sends her apologies. She wanted to be here but I beat her up
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