Who's the racist?

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18/10/2013 at 12:20
NASA decided to send a shuttle into space with two monkeys and an astronaut on board. After months of training, they placed all three in the shuttle and prepared for launch.

Mission Control Center announced, "This is Mission Control to Monkey One. Do your stuff."

The first monkey began frantically typing and the shuttle took off.

Two hours later, NASA's mission control center announced, "This is Mission Control to Monkey Two. Do your stuff."

The second monkey started typing like mad and the shuttle separated from the empty fuel tanks.

Another two hours later Mission Control Center announced, "This is Mission Control to Astronaut... "

At this, the astronaut shouted "I know, I know -- feed the monkeys and don't touch anything."

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It's an old joke - and granted, we don't know the exact words Roy Hodgson used, but IMO, he must have been holding Andros Townsend in the highest esteem to liken him to a monkey in that story.
Yet the press, and organisations like the Society of Black Lawyers jump all over it. Recommending that the FA should hold thorough investigations and to 'educate' Roy Hodgson.

I'm actually quite angry that Hodgson should be lambasted in this way. And to be told he needs educating is condescending in the extreme.  I'm not sure I'd be able to keep my cool if the SoBL said that to me. 

Or am I out of touch?

18/10/2013 at 12:26

I agree with you Runny.

Hodgson is a well travelled, well educated man. For certain circles to jump on this as having racist connotations is laughable at best.

The next thing you know there will be a campaign to call monkeys by their latin name to avoid such incidents.

Farcical.

18/10/2013 at 12:40

As far as I can see, this has nothing to do with racism. The "monkey" isn't representing the player it's representing his position in the team.

There's a reason why the story is about monkeys ( because monkeys were actually sent into space) and a reason why he used the story in his team talk.

The fact that Andros Townsend is black is neither here nor there - had he been a white player the story would have been an equally valid one for Hodgson to use to make his point.

 

Edited: 18/10/2013 at 12:41
18/10/2013 at 13:09

I largely agree, though I think he might in hindsight see it as a silly thing to say in the circumstances. But I rather think this post in a football forum about it has an interesting spin...

"I would say, no Roy, don't apologise. Instead say something like 'You know what fellahs I have been part of the most multi racial industry in the country for 50 years and I get that it is hard for the more middle class professions like journalism to get this, because apart from the fellah from the voice I make it 30 white boys for every black man in the room, but for us from the age of about 7 we're all just players so no, whilst I vaguely remember Love Thy fecking Neighbour the word monkey for me is not a symbol of embodied racism, its a bit part in a pony and trap joke. I tell you what is a symbol though, the fact that none of you or indeed I have a black boss. Now cattle truck off, especially the berkshire hunt from The Sun.'"

18/10/2013 at 13:13

it's daft. but i think he might have spotted how it could have been construed. i like hodgson, but it's a bit of an alan partridge moment.

18/10/2013 at 13:17

I reckon there's not a racist bone in his body. It was a 66 year old man forgetting his audience!

18/10/2013 at 13:44

 

the dude abides wrote (see)

it's daft. but i think he might have spotted how it could have been construed. i like hodgson, but it's a bit of an alan partridge moment.

 

Peter Collins wrote (see)

I reckon there's not a racist bone in his body. It was a 66 year old man forgetting his audience!

These bits I've made bold there make me dispair.

Like you say, Peter, I doubt there's a racist bone in his body (even though every single one is white), and anyone with a brain can see that the analogy is nothing to do with race  -  so if people in his audience take offence... it's THEIR  problem.

Forgive me for stereotyping here, but I think that any black people who have taken offence (and I bet it's a tiny tiny minority) at Roy's comment are misguided. Oversensitive. Maybe I should give some latitude because they may have seen nasty racism in the past... but they are misguided here.    Unfortunately, I think that there are a few of them whose motive is more about self publicity than moral outrage.

And for white people complaining about perceived racism... I think many of them must be racist.  Surely it's them who have made the mental link between the word monkey and a black footballer?

Good point about the white press, by the way.

18/10/2013 at 13:48

Absolute joke, pathetically highlighted by the media.

18/10/2013 at 14:00

By the way, Peter... your comment "it's a 66yr old man forgetting his audience" is not far from being as condescending as the SoBL's comment that he "needs educating". 

Hodgson didn't (IMO)  "forget his audience".

Sorry if I'm a bit hot under the collar.. Like most of us - I'm certain you included, I get wound up by genuine racism.  But I see this sort of sh*tstorm as being damaging to anti-racism and bad for society.

18/10/2013 at 14:00

I'm inclined to agree that if anyone immediately makes a link between a monkey and a black footballer then it is them that has the problem.

If the monkeys had been cats no-one would have been offended would they? 

 

18/10/2013 at 14:04
I've never quite understood what "the Society Black Lawyers" are all about.
You only seem to hear of them when they are trying to blow things all out of proportion and trying to construct a racist incident when there wasn't one in the first place.
18/10/2013 at 14:14
Screamapillar wrote (see)

I'm inclined to agree that if anyone immediately makes a link between a monkey and a black footballer then it is them that has the problem.

If the monkeys had been cats no-one would have been offended would they? 

 

Yes I had to read through the whole story to even begin to understand what the problem was. 

18/10/2013 at 14:21

not even close to being racist.

notice the sun had this "story" on its front and back pages yesterday but today its a small section on the  inside, clearly a response that the public disagree with their findings.

18/10/2013 at 15:06

A bizarre thing to say and he should have known better that to use that analogy in those cicumstances. It was totally Alan Partridge. Racism perhaps not but very stupid. 

18/10/2013 at 15:08

Who cares? Media beat up ......... and all that will happen is everyone will feel sorry for Hodgson ..... and ummm, thats it!

 

18/10/2013 at 15:16

i don't envy people in public positions at all these days. the can't say a word (not even in private it seems) without it being analysed to death and people taking offence. then everyone complains about all the blandness and talking in cliches.

soon he will have to run half time team talks (perhaps plan A,B,C) past spin doctors and lawyers before going ahead.

as for the complainers. f***ing monkeys.

 

18/10/2013 at 15:18

I think the £5 million Roy is getting from the FA helps cushion the blow of being in the public eye ...... so dont be too quick to cry him a river.

 

18/10/2013 at 15:29
Sussex Runner NLR wrote (see)

A bizarre thing to say and he should have known better that to use that analogy in those cicumstances. It was totally Alan Partridge. Racism perhaps not but very stupid. 

I disagree. It wasn't stupid. There was nothing at all wrong in what he said - unless it's racist to mention monkeys in front of black people under any circumstances which would, frankly, be ridiculous.

 He wasn't inferring that anybody was a monkey - the story just happened to be about monkeys.

Edited: 18/10/2013 at 15:35
18/10/2013 at 15:34
Screamapillar wrote (see)
Sussex Runner NLR wrote (see)

A bizarre thing to say and he should have known better that to use that analogy in those cicumstances. It was totally Alan Partridge. Racism perhaps not but very stupid. 

It wasn't stupid. There was nothing at all wrong in what he said - unless it's racist to mention monkeys in front of black people under any circumstances which would, frankly, be ridiculous.

 

spot on.

18/10/2013 at 16:01

Also stupid that it became part of a media circus in which we are now all part of. Is Hodgson's private monkey joke the same as that UKIP guys whore quip, I wonder? 

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