Do they really mean it about no headphones at Manchester Marathon?

advice needed on whether to go ahead regardless

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05/04/2013 at 09:12

dont wear them!!  i ran manchester last year and even in the horrendous pouring rain the atmosphere was amazing - sooo many people shouting your name and cheering you on.  and a group of runners singing 'Singing in the Rain' and 'Oh what a beautiful morning' at the top of their voices - everyone joined in.  Why miss out on all that??! 

05/04/2013 at 09:15
Trouble is UKA are really cracking down on race organisers and in some cases fining events for not DQing rule breakers inc headphone wearers so they are being extra vigilant and in the SY half they actually did DQ 2 runners. One in the race and one just has he crossed the finish.

If its in the rules don't do it.
05/04/2013 at 09:49

Tee hee - thanks very much everyone.  I am chastened and will ditch them and enjoy the event!  Better get practicing without I think.

05/04/2013 at 10:01

take up triathlon - there is a very strict NO headphones rule that is very much obeyed by experienced athletes.  you occasionally get a newbie putting them on for the run leg but a simple verbal warning by the transition staff or BTF official usually sorts them out. refusal to remove will result in a DQ - simple as.

nice to see UKA catching up with the BTF on a crackdown - long overdue

05/04/2013 at 10:13
runningowl wrote (see)
Trouble is UKA are really cracking down on race organisers and in some cases fining events for not DQing rule breakers inc headphone wearers so they are being extra vigilant and in the SY half they actually did DQ 2 runners. One in the race and one just has he crossed the finish.

If its in the rules don't do it.

I'm not aware of any UKA rule specifically banning earphones - can you point me to it?  

I have looked through the rules for competition and can't find any mention of it.

My local half mara does DQ people who ignore their rule on wearing them.  I don't get why people think that the rules don't mean THEM.  

 

05/04/2013 at 10:28

Wilks - could it not be covered by Rule 21.1.c?  (Assistance)

"The use of any technical device. Athletes receiving assistance as
defined above are liable to be disqualified."

you could argue that music could be used as a pacing aid

(and this throws back into the mix the use of GPS pace units like Garmins - banned or not banned??)

05/04/2013 at 10:34

Wilkie 'I don't get why people think that the rules don't mean THEM'!!

 Yes fair enough!  Though often rules seem to be there for the record, and not adhered to or policed and as I had never seen it before in races I had been involved in, then I wasn't sure which applied.  Also looking on the web I found many people saying that it didn't seem to apply as people used them anyway, so figured it must be one of those.

However I have been put right now and will enjoy without!

Fat Buddha - oh god if they ban my Garmin too for my run walk alerts then I am really stuffed.

Of course you are all going to say 'What she does run walk and wears headphones'! But never got in anyone's way or banged anyone as always look behind before stopping!

 

05/04/2013 at 10:37

If they're using that rule to fine clubs, then they'd have to start applying it to Garmins, surely?  They give MUCH more 'assistance', I would have thought.

Didn't they talk about introducing a specific earphone rule a while back?  

I guess it's never happened.  They're probably torn between the safety issues, and the fact that an awful lot of 'newer' runners would be put off racing if they can't have their music.

05/04/2013 at 10:38

On the Garmin issue, I kind of think that the elite runners shouldn't wear them, but a relative plodder like me is not likely to gain any prize money by using one, and there's no health and safety issue I can see like there is for iPods.

05/04/2013 at 10:44

Wilke - re why we think rules don't apply to us - mainly because I'd never heard it before, and everyone seemed to wear them at the events I'd been to!

But if they are taking my garmin too, gulp!  How will I do without my run walk alerts! To which of course you will all say 'WHAT, she does run walk with headphones!' But haven't banged into each other, or got in anyone's way and stick to the edge and look round each time.

Anyway, as previous, I am chastened and will ditch them and enjoy the event!

05/04/2013 at 10:49
Also-ran wrote (see)

It seems like a very clearly stated rule. It is not one of those wishy washy statements saying that they would prefer you not to wear headphones.

"For reasons of safety and courtesy to your fellow runners we are not permitting headphones to be worn during the race. We have seen far too many cases of people obstructing others and not hearing requests or instructions due to them having headphones on. "

 

I think this just underlines the answer to the question - is the rule there just for the sake of it?  I CNBA reading through the entire race rules, but how many other rules contain an explanation within the rule itself for why it's there?  This very strongly suggests that race organisers know full well that this is one of the rules that people like to break, and often cite the excuse "everyone else is doing it".

Garmin and technical assistance.  Hmmmm... an interesting side topic.  I guess it's just not a controversy, especially as one person using one doesn't impinge on anyone else's race, so given that it would be very difficult to police ('scuse me, does that watch thing on your wrist incorporate a GPS device?...) it's never going to be an issue.

 

05/04/2013 at 10:52

If the UKA aren't referring to Garmins and other GPS watches, what technical devices do they have in mind? Is there something else out there I could buy to improve my running  

05/04/2013 at 10:52

I don't personally have a problem with people using earphones, I've never found them to be more of a nuisance than most.  I've bee cut off, barged, ignored by people who AREN'T wearing them.  

It just annoys me that so many folk do just ignore the no-earphones rules when they are in place.  It seems like arrogance to simply ignore a rule because you don't like it.

If they DO ban Garmins, I'm going to give up racing 

05/04/2013 at 10:54
Graham L wrote (see)

If the UKA aren't referring to Garmins and other GPS watches, what technical devices do they have in mind? Is there something else out there I could buy to improve my running  

boost trainers.

05/04/2013 at 10:57
Graham L wrote (see)

If the UKA aren't referring to Garmins and other GPS watches, what technical devices do they have in mind? Is there something else out there I could buy to improve my running  

compression kit?? bouncy trainers?? metronomes?? PEDs??? 

05/04/2013 at 13:16

Aaaah but what about if I only wear headphones in one ear? And how does wearing headphones differ to being deaf? They can't hear an excuse me either. Hadn't thought of THAT had you!!!

 

Right I'm off to get my coat now

05/04/2013 at 13:44
36 posts before the deaf card was played. Not bad going for a headphones thread
05/04/2013 at 13:44
fat buddha wrote (see)

Wilks - could it not be covered by Rule 21.1.c?  (Assistance)

"The use of any technical device. Athletes receiving assistance as
defined above are liable to be disqualified."

you could argue that music could be used as a pacing aid

(and this throws back into the mix the use of GPS pace units like Garmins - banned or not banned??)

That certainly seems a lot ,more applicable to GPS watches than it does headphones for music.

I think the headphones rule is there more from a H&S or insurance point of view from the organizers rather than UKA. 

05/04/2013 at 14:08

I tend to steer clear of rule breakers. It could be a zero tolerance approach that once relaxed quickly escalates into something more serious.

Where I live there's a women who would clearly take one look at the 'no ipod' rule and just brush it aside with an "oh that's just silly" and go ahead regardless. When dq'ed she would argue the toss like no tomorrow.

She drives without her kids strapped in, "because we're not going far". And parks on double yellow lines because, "I won't be long". Once to a traffic warden. "Now you're not going to give me a ticket, I'll only be a minute". 

Oh, she told me this story. Most indignant that she couldn't reason with this stupid man. She had to move the car.

Yea right. Mary.

Her OH is just as relaxed. In fact the first time I met him, he was lying semi conscious over my front garden wall. Needless to say I went outside and dragged him further along the road. Last thing I want is the Police asking awkward questions.

 

Dave The Ex- Spartan    pirate
05/04/2013 at 14:19
Run walk, with headphones. ? Nope can't see the point
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