Nick - for your information I have had several approaches about corporate buy-outs over the last year or so and I have turned them all down. I don't do this for money. I never have. I've opted not to consider selling out because I believe in the integrity of the events and do not want them turned into monster races which just create revenue.
I take great personal responsibility for what I deliver for runners in this city and that clearly extends to protecting the integrity of the marathon. There is a point where compromise after compromise becomes unacceptable and detrimental to the event.
Why don't you organise a race NLR? The Laines 10k would be good. The winner could get a retro tomato shaped ketchup dispenser or some other Brighton-esque piece of tat. You could have a Vegetarian and a Vegan category. A Freddie Mercury Prize.
It would go a long way to correcting the erroneous notion that yet-to-be-great-Brighton is populated by fey arty workshy downsizers who sell their London homes to snap up a terrace under the viaduct and paint it a lovely pastel shade to let it out to a couple of graphic designers. I've have been fighting against this stereotype for years, but believe me it still persists in the cobbled streets of Liverpool, unfair as it manifestly is.
Just thought I'd add my two penneth worth seeing as the discussion has shifted somewhat in direction. My expereince of running, which is not vast, but I would tentativley call myself a runner these day not a one off event person, is that good local runs are organised by local running clubs. They may vary in size and capacity but they can be broad in range. These events tend to be friendly, competitive and reasonably affordable. Once events reach a certain size they can no longer be run by clubs because clubs do not all have the time, resources or administrative ability to put on larger events. I do acknowledge clubs do put on fairly large events as well as smaller events and often do a great job but something like the Liverpool Marathon, if it is to be run well, is beyond most running clubs ability to organise. Most members of running clubs want to run, not fill out endlesss H&S forms, attend council meetings and keep forumites up to date with the latest news on their event. Big races need time, people and money to make them happen!
You can say what you like about the way the races from RunLiverpool have been organised and what the motivation is behind them but what I have noticed is that for a 'buisness' RunLiverpool (As it was back in the day!) kept runners informed on forums, ran well organised events and kept the balance between big race feel and local involvement pretty well in my eyes. Indeed more so than certain 'Great' runs I could mention.
As far as Alan being the patron saint of running in Liverpool NG, I don't think he ever claimed to be that and your comment is clearly presumptious.
I just want the marathon in Liverpool back so that people can see what a great city it is.
I suspect this decision is not going to be reversed, so the Chester Marathon will get a healthy boost this year I think.....No bad thing as this is a great, well run event as well. We all hope that the Liverpool Marathon will return in 2014, but can I put in a request early enough to try to keep the date far enough away from Chester so we can do both ? (I understand the restrictions of avoiding the footy, but never hurts to ask.....)
There was nothing homophobic in my imaginary portrait of Brighton NLR, just a good-natured reference to Brighton's large gay population, many of whom love to camp it up as you and I both well know.
However, I will withdraw my suggestion of the Freddie Mercury prize and instead offer the Katie Price Biggest Tit in Brighton prize to the person who most likes to wind up others but suffers a complete sense-of-humour-failure when he (or she) is gently ribbed.
And, believe it or not, I love Brighton, I really do. I've have spent many happy nights there parked up in my lorry, eating at Food with Friends, enjoying a pint at the Hand-in-Hand Micro-Brewery and enjoying a hookah on the beach.
Stop the press. The Echo tonight is saying big Joe wants to kiss and make up (well sort of.....).
Well in that case ...
Ball back in the court of BTR Council want the event and are disappointed with attitude of BTR.
In the fairness of a balanced forum I wait to see if BTR will respond
Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)
Alan a serious question, if you held the Marathon last year successfully, obviously the route was a decent one. What would prevented you using the same route this year, and has the change come about by 1) Have you changed your preferred route 2) Has something happened to prevent you using the 2012 route There has to be a level of intransigence (possibly on both sides) to have had such a monumental bust up.
Alan a serious question, if you held the Marathon last year successfully, obviously the route was a decent one.
What would prevented you using the same route this year, and has the change come about by
1) Have you changed your preferred route
2) Has something happened to prevent you using the 2012 route
There has to be a level of intransigence (possibly on both sides) to have had such a monumental bust up.
Sorry for two things, 1) For raising the issue of stereotypes and 2) Mortal sin of quoting my own post
However drop the Liverpool stereotype images that both BTR and Council are displaying, stop the intransigence and show some responsibility to your people (Council and BTR) and put the race back where it should be. Nobody really cares about the aesthetics of the route (Let's be honest) as long as we get a run
Nurse Gladwys - it saddens me that you continue to doubt my honesty and integrity but never mind, you can't please all the people all the time.
For the record (not related to this thread) the Women's 10K was losing £30,000 each year when managed by LCC. As a consequence they didn't really want to host it and we took over the management in 2006. In the first year three years it was noticable that there was decling interest in the event as women were preferring to run in Race For Life type events. Women racing over 10K had become less attractive and RFL tried to create their own 10K and it just didn't happen.
Over the following 3 - 6 years the numbers continued to fall and the introduction of the 5K was to try and increase participation. It didn't work and as of last year the event was considerably under funded with just 700 or so entries.
The running market is quite sophisticated and clearly there is no demand for women only races over 10K, there is no interest in business team events (old Corporate Cup) and there is no interest in football supporter based events (Big Heart 5K). That is why we have dropped them and are looking at other events that fill market requirements better. The Port Sunlight 10K is the first of several new events we hope to develop.
Conversely, the Half Marathon has increased again this year (8,000), the Santa Dash was the biggest we have done in nine years (8,500 in total including the Mini Dash) and the Tunnel 10K has grown from less than 700 when we took it over to around 3,500.
Where you like it or not there are commercial demands on every event which have to be addressed and as far as you suspicion about my motives goes, I can only say I'm comfortable with what I do and how I conduct my business affairs.
Regarding my 'friends' on the forum they all tend to support my efforts because they have taken the time to talk to me in person and have a gained a greater understanding what actually is required to get events on the road. You haven't.
My committment remains intact and your right - I'm no saint but have never claimed to be.
I hope you continue to enjoy your running wherever it may be.
FYI - I have just sent LCC a further revision plan for the marathon which will retain the city centre profile and integrity of the race (as I believe it should be retained).
Although I haven't been formally asked I have made a further suggestion which I hope will be given due consideration by LCC. Let's see what tomorrow brings.
Hopefully this will allow the event to go ahead after all. Before anyone comments can I add the last proposal put to me was not negotiable and no further options were to be considered. Clearly the fallout from the cancellation has led to a more considered approach to negotiation?
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