Manchester Marathon 2013

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22/03/2013 at 14:14
Slokey Joe. Sorry I've just seen your message about the stress fracture. I was actually out of action for 10 weeks in total. I was on crutches for a couple of weeks and then I started cycling followed by some very tentative treadmill running towards the very end of my recovery. So frustrating not being outdoors!
This was back in 2011 when I was training for Brighton. I'd had niggles in my foot which I chose to ignore and had bagged my 20 miler. Then the following week I went out on a 10 mile run and it was painful and bruised at the point of pain. My physio told me to get checked out at the hospital and have an X-ray done. Although the doctor said that stress fractures don't necessarily show up on an X-ray he managed to pinpoint the exact area of pain in my foot and told me I had a stress fracture and to stop running straight away. So I had to pull out

I feel so much stronger in my marathon training this time around and with the 20 miler done now I'm happy to say I'm injury free!

I'd say don't ignore the pain like I did and don't start running too soon (I tried that a couple of times!) Hope everything goes ok for you.
Edited: 22/03/2013 at 14:16
22/03/2013 at 14:30
Thanks Lass! 10 weeks.... Eek.

My foot has improved a lot over the past week (hopefully it wasn't fractured at all) but still a bit sore to walk on so not near to chancing a run yet. I'll take your guidance seriously re not rushing it. Off to Paris for a week in a couple of days so I won't take my running shoes to keep temptation at bay. More swimming and biking than normal for a while methinks.

Good luck to you in Manchester. After a rough spell, the campaigns that go well are all the sweeter.
22/03/2013 at 19:16

Redpanda - love Reece's peanut butter cups!!!

Now, a little advice if anyone can...I've had a slightly sore Achilles (to touch), left leg, for a few weeks now, doesn't affect my running and once I've done a couple of miles barely bothers me.  However, my left leg definitely feels different to my right.  A bit achey sometimes, and just well weaker I suppose.  Do I soldier on thinking "it will be ok" and I think it will, or do I attend the physio appointment I've just made, shell out £45 for them, no doubt, to tell me I need a course of treatment???  Difficult (well, I think so, but maybe it's not) cos how do I know I need really to see someone...or am I just being tight!!

22/03/2013 at 20:07

Have you got a foam roller Sally? That'll probably sort it out.

22/03/2013 at 23:53

Sally, had exactly the same problem with my achilles after some long hill running.  The condition has been with me for over a week.  I generally run trails however and now as soon as I hit the trail surfaces after the road run in, I feel fine, albeit with an ankle support.  I appreciate our musings here will never supercede professional advice but with  the date looming we're perhaps looking for the allternative therapy!

Perhaps a change of surface may help.

 

23/03/2013 at 16:55

I've had sore achilles very similar to how you describe Sallymax for at least the last six months now - in both legs. It started when I increased the mileage significantly whilst training for my last marathon. I don't think it has really hampered me as such - it just a pain that is tolerable. It goes when I reduce the mileage. I find it can be releived by massage and "rotating" my foot - sit down, raise your foot off the floor, and move it in a circular movement for a few minutes - its seems to relieve pressure around the tendon. Hope this helps Sallymax - I'm no expert but it's just my experince for what its worth.

 

By the way, are we all enjoiying this snow ? - a 20 miler in it tomorrow for me - should be "fun".....

23/03/2013 at 17:54

Sally - I too had an achilles niggle the other week, and had a sports massage which sorted it out.  Having said that it was 30 minutes of pure pain and you could hear my screams in the next county...  Cheaper than a physio and if you're lucky with the person (we've got a brilliant one who's a runner herself) you can often get just as thorough a session.  Not wanting to upset any physios here, who do fantastic jobs and I couldn't praise highly enough when I did my first marathon, but it may be a cheaper option if you're on a budget.

23/03/2013 at 18:36

HI everyone

 

Sorry, I have no experience of achillies injuries (thankfully) so I can't really help.  I know that when I had a bad hip though, I found a brilliant sports physio who operated at a sports centre.  I was sceptical, but I saw her twice (I think about £30 a time, but a few years back now), and that was enough.  I did the excercises that she advised as well as the stretches she showed me, so two sessions with that were enough.  I couldn't recommend her any better, it was brill.  LOL...the pain of the massage was 10 times worse than childbirth though...and I did that without pain relief!

Did my 15 miles today...it wasn't great.  Yesterday was worse weather mind you, quite a lot worse.  It was the cold and biting wind that did me in today...I was running in the country and  by a lot of open fields etc, that were very exposed.  In honesty, it could have been worse...as it was only snowing lightly, and unless the wind was right in my face, it wasn't "that" bad.  Saying that, I was still cold and so pleased to get it over with.

What's going on with Wilmslow then?  Is it still on or is it cancelled?  I can't believe at this time of year we are up against this...and they don't reckon it's going to end any time soon either....sigh...

Panda

23/03/2013 at 19:09

Wilmslows still on, apparently theres not much snow there. Its been very bad on the N Wales/ Chester border and I've missed my first days running since the end of December.

23/03/2013 at 20:10

Thanks everyone for advice and thoughts.  Still undecided about the appointment but reckon I won't regret going for at least one appointment but may regret not going!  I've been doing heel drops from a step and this does help - I'm so lazy with exercises like that though.

Well done for the 15 miler Redpanda.  No snow down here but very cold.  I've got 20 miles to do tomorrow morning (have never run that far!) and am going to attempt first 10 miles at 10 minute miles then last 10 at 9 minutes - we'll see how that goes...

23/03/2013 at 20:47
Sallymax, how are you at standing on one leg? Is your weaker one more wobbly? Can you still do it with your eyes closed and not fall over? If your leg feels weaker than the other as you've described you could probably do with some single leg work as above, single leg squats and glute exercises like clams or leg raises. If your glutes are weak, the whole chain down your leg doesn't function properly and your lower leg can take an undue amount of strain as you run. Plenty of stuff on the internet to look at re glute strength and proprioception exercises.
23/03/2013 at 21:40

He's right!  My sore hip I mentioned were down to weak glutes, so I do strengthening excercises, still to this day.  It doesn't take long and has prevented it rearing it's ugly head.

Sally...Are you a running club member?  If so, then someone there should be able to recommend a good sports physio?  TBH, what I did was to email a running club (I wasn't a member) and just ask them if they knew anyone good in the area, as I figured they must need one at some point.  They were only too glad to help, and the chairman, or whatever you call them (!) emailed me a list of about half a dozen in the area and I just picked one.  Try it.

Good luck for tomorrow.....I am going to a boot sale!  Not selling but looking for stuff!  Saying that, at this rate it won't be on.  Other than that I have an NCT sale to go to, looking for baby bargains.  After that will try and do a short run....would love a nice day of weather, but I doubt I will get it.

Panda

24/03/2013 at 09:26
We've had more snow over night and I'm meant to be doing a 20miler today. The pavements are covered. Don't know whether to put it back a day or two to see if the pavements clear.

Friday nights 12 miler was enough for me. I hate this weather.
24/03/2013 at 11:28
Jedwards - put it back I would. A couple of days won't make much difference.
24/03/2013 at 11:32
SJ -yes ease off the running for now I would.Ignoring the pain like I did is not a wise move!

I'm getting nervous now.....just chuffed that the 20 miler is done and dusted.
24/03/2013 at 14:52

Thanks again for more advice.  I'll check out standing on one leg when I can be bothered to get up from the sofa!!  20 miler done this morning, average pace 9.48 for 1st 10, then 9.30 for 2nd 10 so pretty chuffed with that.  Desperate for a cream egg in the kitchen but can't even be bothered to get up for that.

I am also nervous northern lass. Have you done a marathon before?

Oh, and remembered whilst running that a chiropracter I saw years ago said one of my legs was slightly shorter than the other (?) so I guess that could have something to do with one leg aching more than the other.

Also remembered whilst out this morning Redpanda's comment about childbirth without pain relief - respect to you indeed!!!

24/03/2013 at 15:38
Sallymax - well done on your run this morning. Wow and great pace too!
No this will be my first marathon. I've run lots of HMs in the past but this is a whole new beast to me!

Guess I'm scared of hitting this 'wall' that people talk about so much! Has anyone experienced that?!

I just want to finish on my own two legs!
24/03/2013 at 15:49

Yes and me too.  What is this "wall" and what happens?  Are you hoping for a time (secretly of course - finishing it will be fine!) . . .

24/03/2013 at 15:51
I have Lass, a couple of times. Key learning point is that it's not the distance that gets you, it's your pace.
24/03/2013 at 15:54
I used to think the wall was a bit of myth until I crashed into at last year's VLM. Stating the obvious, it's not nice. To me, it felt like a very drastic downward spiral that I couldn't fight. It felt like someone flicked a switch in me and everything drained out, like when you pull the plug out in a bath. Despite the thousands and thousands of people at VLM, it became the lonliest place in the world for 8 miles.

However, the reasons for hitting it were simple. I made mistakes in my training (didn't do my long runs slow enough and didn't do enough of them) and during the early part of the race (irregular pace, weaving through people with sudden bursts to make up time lost through congestion).

So, I think the wall is totally avoidable if you're well prepared and disciplined. No need to fear it if you're doing the right things, in my humble opinion. I'm righting those wrongs in my Manchester training so fingers crossed.

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