Paris Marathon 2013

...and the beat goes on...

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06/01/2013 at 14:13

Carl - welcome to the thread fella.  Good advice so far.  I'd only add that I'd definitely travel Friday if you can.  Expo is quieter and, for me, I feel a lot more relaxed knowing I've got everything sorted in plenty of time. 

TJB - +1 for the trigger point work.

06/01/2013 at 14:20
Hi all popped in to say quick hi whilst lying on bed recuperating from this mornings exertions (running before DLR gets all smutty!). Frightening fact that if on p&d 18 week schedule, there are only 8 weeks of hard training left, plus 2 recovery weeks and taper!!!

DLR...re your PF...are you sure it's def' PF? Since Paris this year my right heel has been twinging, thinking it was a touch of PF, finally got round to consulting my trigger point therapy book and around 10 minutes of poking upper outer calf later, not a word of a lie, felt better. Need to keep massaging it to try and keep it free, but its far better and allows ,me to focus on all the other niggles instead!!! If you want me to scan and email relevant pages let me know.
06/01/2013 at 14:20

Just remembered...

...any gentlemen of the thread interested in buying a pair of brand new (never been unpacked let alone worn) Inov-8 312Gtx shoes in a UK 9?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/inov-8-roclite-312-gtx-shoes/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=uk&utm_content=Inov-8-Inov-8_Roclite_312_GTX_Shoes-Black%2fSilver

I got the wrong size (I'm a 9.5) and couldn't send them back so will be ebay-ing soon.

They're Goretex and I wear them each winter, running as much as 23+ miles along canal tow paths.

 

06/01/2013 at 14:26
seanb wrote (see)

DLR...re your PF...are you sure it's def' PF? Since Paris this year my right heel has been twinging, thinking it was a touch of PF, finally got round to consulting my trigger point therapy book and around 10 minutes of poking upper outer calf later, not a word of a lie, felt better. Need to keep massaging it to try and keep it free, but its far better and allows ,me to focus on all the other niggles instead!!! If you want me to scan and email relevant pages let me know.

Sean - you're spot on - I refer to it as PF as that's where the pain is (inside just in front of heel pad) but I think it does indeed link to my claves.  Had achilles and FHL injuries too and all stem from tightness in calves.  Starting last night I'm on a daily trigger point regime - using opposite knee to get the TPs in the calf and a ball to try and do the same for piriformis.  Tightness in the latter is what pulled my SIJ out of position (I'm so tight there that I can't even make it to the start position of the lying piriformis stretch!).

06/01/2013 at 14:35

Yer Maj - the calf was feeling ok (not brilliant) prior to the cramp. Then I noticed that my achilles was tightening up and then it cramped

Is there a recommended tome for trigger points? I think I could do with looking into it after all of the recommendations

06/01/2013 at 14:39
06/01/2013 at 14:40

It's the dog's danglies.

06/01/2013 at 14:45
"The trigger point therapy workbook" by Clair Davies is what I have Orbutt, I got it from amazon. Something you may find interesting Orbutt, last year I pulled calf muscle while training for Paris, then read somewhere that compression wear can interfere with strains. Can't remember where I read it, ,probably runners world, can't remember exactly what it said, however next run after reading it I went out with the calf guards and it felt so much better! It was obviously healing at that point and I had taken a week off to try and rest it, however I could definitely feel a difference for the better, without them. May not make any difference for you (I assume you are still weari compression gear, I tnk you were last year while training) but may be worth considering.

Yer maj -glad kitten turned up, you must have been very worried. Thought we'd lost rabbit once when she snuck in shed, not nice. Slighty amusing though...she was black and managed to open a bag of plaster, came out covered in it, mostly white! Didn't cause her any ill effect luckily.
06/01/2013 at 14:46
Beat me too it. That's cause I was writing an essay.
06/01/2013 at 14:47
Should have said went out WITHOUT calf guards, can't tipe.
06/01/2013 at 15:08
DLR: ref not knowing how to approach Paris this year: maybe we should jog/hobble around together. It can be like the 3.30 train last year (that I missed)... except we can call it the Bench train or something like that

TD great news on your run
wi
06/01/2013 at 15:15

Carl  welcome.

Few thoughts about both marathons

Paris much warmer than London, but it's relatively flat. It's not as wild as London. There are parts of the course where there are only few people but they are always great.Food stations are much better prepared with pieces of banana, oranges, dried fruits, sweets. Energy drink in coups, tricky to drink, less waste. Wine served around 34ish km. Free massage after the run   You will definitely enjoy it. The sites along the course are amazing plus you get to meet this lot here afterwards.   Nice 5k run in a snow today. Didn't have time for more as Lil' one has laryngitis and  can't leave him unless his asleep. He looks like koala, stuck on my neck. 

 

ATM - do you still need help on Jantastic? I'm only preparing form HalfM this time so won't be able to add too many miles.

Edited: 06/01/2013 at 15:35
06/01/2013 at 15:47

+1 for the Clair Davies book - that's what I use and as I mentioned yesterday, found a trigger point in a tiny muscle yesterday which seems to have been causing all my problems...it's like magic working when you get the right one.

ATM
06/01/2013 at 16:22

'afternoon, all..

Hi, Carl.Welcome to the thread.Jump in..It's all a bit free-flowing, here and , as RS, says we're easily...'Oh, look! Wrestling!'..

If it's any help, I can bury you in detail about the really important stuff...like the pub for the post-mortem and the portaloo situation.Message me an email address cos my notes are not so much interesting as very long...

A timely reminder to give thanks for Finn...who pointed us all in the direction of trigger points * and who inflicted severe pain on me calves to iron out the PF problem * and took all the fun out of the concept of self-massage.

wiol, we have enough for a team but it would be fab to have a Polish flag too ...more members, more motivation..Anyone else?  It's all here   and we are ' The Bench'.

My first trail run, today.It was fantastic. I loved the change of terrain and we saw so many interesting things cross-country...birds, ruined church, fabulous houses in the middle of no-where...I'm definitely up for more of this.

ATM
06/01/2013 at 16:25

DLR, Sean & YM - thanks for the recommendation. I've ordered it.

Sean. After Paris last year I started running without the compression gear and I've only been using running tights during cold weather. I picked up a slight pain in my calf early December and, rather ironically, I started wearing the 2XUs again as protection during my runs. I had them on today. Next run, I'll ditch them and see how that goes - but that won't be for a week or two. Thanks for the tip.

06/01/2013 at 16:31

Wiol - sign up  We're in the running for the prize for the most international team. Five countries and ten people on the team so far, including an Italian bloke with very good English who's training for the Rome Marathon and seems to have randomly picked us to join.

06/01/2013 at 16:45

Perhaps he has a body part that's falling off too....

06/01/2013 at 17:39

Another supporter of the trigger point book. It all makes sense when you read the introduction which explains that pains and injuries don't necessarily flare up in the place where the problem is - it's the weakest point that gives way, not the actual problem. Hence knotty calves cause problems in the feet. 

Seanb - on the other hand, the P&D 12 week plan hasn't even started yet...which is something to bear in mind for all those worried about being behind. 

Yer_maj - can Mr Maj help you out with a tiny video camera on his collar that will let you see where he's been? The cat that is, not Mr Maj . Although...

New route for me this morning, and spotted this rather lovely gentleman in Bushy Park.

http://s3.runnersworld.co.uk/members/images/13234/gallery/deer_0.jpg?width=350

 

 

Edited: 06/01/2013 at 17:40
06/01/2013 at 17:50

Bushy Park.   Jeez I'm childish.

06/01/2013 at 17:50
"Seanb - on the other hand, the P&D 12 week plan hasn't even started yet...which is something to bear in mind for all those worried about being behind. "

Lucky sods!! Should have done that then my legs wouldn't wish they weren't mine!

He's pretty cool. All I saw was groups of chavvy kids!
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