Paris Marathon 2013 - Page 493 - Events

Orbutt

21/02/2013 at 10:45

IM2 - I use my watch to keep pace and aim at between 6:20 and 6:25. I find that once I hit a pace I'm quite good at sticking to it but I struggle changing at a later point.

DV - a McDonalds burger was your first meat. Broke yourself in gently then

Iain Moore 2

21/02/2013 at 11:48

Orbutt - I simply need to pay more attention to the 'S' part of LSR... I also need to build much more strength. I will definitely be in worse shape this year than last - and that wasn;t the point! Oh well, one can aspire to improvement...

Johnny Lyall wrote (see)

Sore throat, stuffy nose, knackered due to lack of sleep (difficulty breathing) - should I run tonight?

Heard people things before about below and above the neck. If it's not chesty will I be ok? Or that a myth?

Johnny - the above/below neck issue makes some sense but you sound like you need a night off, frankly.

Edited: 21/02/2013 at 11:48

peter burke 5

21/02/2013 at 12:10

Peddle this pending paradox when next pounding the path/pavement:

"What I am now saying is false." True or not?

kaz1

21/02/2013 at 13:42

Afternoon,

Really enjoying the nutrition advice DV, I am back eating meat since Amsterdam disaster and really enjoying it strangely!!

Like you Malc I run in the cold most of the time and its always hotter when doing a marathon for me(any where is hotter than here!!!), My hands always swell but I didn't know why until DV told me!!

I did 13 slow miles this morning with the middle section X country.......quite a strong headwind most of the run so felt pretty knackered at the end but that is partly due to fuelling too. I struggle with breakfast(mainly due to dietary restraints and the fear that eating before running will have me running to the bushes!) so I know I had little energy before I started!! Stopped at mums for water on route out and back since my belt is irritating my scar. Never thought until I got home that I could of used my hydration pack.

Weedy Gonzalez

21/02/2013 at 14:19

Kaz - you've just done a half marathon

Peter - my brain's hurting now...

Iain Moore 2

21/02/2013 at 15:07

Weedy - mine hasn't stopped hurting since I looked at that image you posted yesterday...

Tricky Dicky¹

21/02/2013 at 15:12

Hope you've been sticking to those HR limits Kaz. It's great that you are making good progress back from being sidelined. But just remember that deep muscle requires deep healing, so don't over do it.

Malcs - following on from DV's point about hydration needed to activate gels during a race. I always pre-mix my gels. I empty the sachets into water bottles which then go on a hip belt. I can get 8 gels into two small bottles which go round the back and this doesn't seem to impeded my running at all. I can sip the gel solution little and often. Remember, the gel that doesn't go in, doesn't bring any benefit. And the gel without water, can't be broken down by your digestive system and turned into energy, and just makes you feel sick. Experiment on your long runs.

However, sticking a cheeseburger in your shorts for when you get to 25k just sounds like a bad idea.

Had a really enjoyable session in the gym this lunchtime. Lots of weights for the legs. Heavy and fast repetitions to build up the fast twitch muscles and some good core work followed by a bit of stretching. I think of it as injury prevention work.

Malcs

21/02/2013 at 15:46

Kaz - I didn't notice my hands swelling as I was too busy trying not to vom . Well done on your 13 miles though how you can do that with no breakfast I just don't know. Does mum stand outside her house, arm outstretched with an opened Evian bottle in hand?

DV & TD - thanks again for the advice, I really appreciate it. This is currently my biggest issue. I know I can get round, it's doing that without the nausea etc. that is the problem. Interesting point about the gels TD. Maybe that's what's causing the nausea then?

Neat idea about using a gel solution. I never thought of that. I have been experimenting with Jelly Babies instead. Used them on my last 18 miler and my insides were fine. I didn't take on any water on this run whatsoever. Maybe when it comes to race time and it's hotter I have less fluid available for digestion. However, I have always made a point of taking plenty on board on race day. Maybe plenty is not enough?

DV, the year that the nausea was the least noticeable was when I used Nuun and I think I took 3 tabs in total. I also used 4 gels on that run too.

Thanks again!

Edited: 21/02/2013 at 15:46

Weedy Gonzalez

21/02/2013 at 16:07

Iain Moore 2 wrote (see)

Weedy - mine hasn't stopped hurting since I looked at that image you posted yesterday...

Sorry Iain (and everyone else)

kaz1

21/02/2013 at 16:44

Yip TD I am behaving!! Gave up on Core work

Eggyh73

21/02/2013 at 18:19

Kaz - Well done on getting 13 miles in.

Malcs - I have no idea how you can do a 18 mile run without a drink. Even in the cold you'll still be using up fluid. Gels with no drinks would be a sure fire way to pukeville.

I had a short run this evening. Four miles at 8:43 m/m average pace. It's sad, but I'm well chuffed to see a run back in the 8:xx m/m territory (a first this year) and bizarrely enough at my Paris marathon pace from last year!

Having had some better runs this week I'm feeling a bit more confident about this weekends 20 mile LSR.

Iain Moore 2

21/02/2013 at 19:29

Orbutt - I think you mentioned the new Paris sponsor. Certainly the website is a little, how you say, greener than it was...

Weedy - I was mesmerised!

Running Rodent

21/02/2013 at 19:59

PB5 - yes, but what do you mean by 'I'? And do you mean 'false' in the sense of a postulated truth value (where false=not true), or more as an objective moral position? (4 years of university education finally comes in handy

).

Very much enjoying my rest day today. All this meat talk is making me want a steak though.

Orbutt

21/02/2013 at 20:10

Running Rodent - it could also be a declarative statement. The last word spoken is "false" therefore as a postulated truth value the answer would be true. However as a statement of fact the last word spoken was "false" therefore "false".
Time for a lie down, I've gone all giddy

Running Rodent

21/02/2013 at 20:29

Urgh - me too, I'm having flashbacks now. I'll start listening to the Stranglers soon and drinking snakebites.

Weedy Gonzalez

21/02/2013 at 20:33

http://s4.runnersworld.co.uk/members/images/727962/gallery/few-good-men-jack-nicholson_480_poster.jpg?width=350

Chris Hollis

21/02/2013 at 21:11

Running Rodent - Martha and the Muffins of course . . .I couldn't remember the name (just the lyrics). Nice one!

Really interesting reading about everybody's experiences of hydration and energy. Although at the same time it makes me realise how individual we all are and have our own unique requirements. Which doesn't help finding a solution! Breakfast is out of the question for me when I do a morning run. . . I go all wobbly and shaky after a few miles. Weird.
Like you Malcs, I feel no need for fluids on an 18 mile run in the cold. In a way that is a bad thing as it means it is easy to put off dealing with the harsh realities of race day! I was also wondering about jelly babies and was going to try it this weekend. Running Rodent refers to the "sugar crash" this can cause. Do you mean if you don't have enough to get to the finish? When walking I find sugary stuff is fine as long as I have enough to keep me topped up once I start on it - otherwise I won't touch it. Is that what you mean or something else?
I'm kind of wary about gels as isotonic ones would be a lot to carry and getting the hydration right with "normal" ones sounds way too difficult! I will try some out though I guess.
D V - I wish you hadn't mentioned no alcohol! As deep down I am sure it is true for me too! But I have an almost OCD requirement to have a glass of wine with my evening meal (only one I hasten to add!). I really need to find out what difference it makes for me if I abstain totally though.

Good luck with your long runs this weekend everybody. I prefer Saturday so it's a nice rest day tomorrow.

Orbutt

21/02/2013 at 21:19

Just got around to renewing my yearly travel insurance and thought about cover for marathon running.
Did a few searches and ended up back on a Runners World forum with a bunch of recommendations. A recent update by Shades mentioned that Tesco travel insurance includes Marathon Running (non professional) as standard.
Got an online quote and it ended up being slightly cheaper than my existing policy with LV, that didn't include running.

Needless to say, I bought it

Eggyh73

21/02/2013 at 21:27

That's a good point. I better renew my travel insurance.

ATM

21/02/2013 at 21:52

Me, too. * The Post Office one includes marathoning ( unless you're running to win. Full marks to the counter assistant who asked me whilst keeping a straight face...). The cover that comes with my bank card doesn't and neither did my old 'cheapo airline' policy.

The picture's working , Weedy.I just have to hang on 'til Monday. * Is that the ' you can't handle...' bit? *