Paris Marathon 2013

...and the beat goes on...

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07/03/2013 at 19:10

Knee update.

Did 4 miles. Okay for three miles. Kept thing about my knee and whether there was any pain there or not. I think there a little pain coming on. So I stopped at 4.

What I can say is the pain is no where near as bad as it was after 2/3 miles on Saturday. So a little ray of sunshine.

Will rest tomorrow. Will continue my stretches and go out saturday afternoon. Training plan out of the window. Think I'm going to try just to build up the mileage gradually. 4, 6, 8 miles etc. And hope for the flipping best.

Have to say though I think I'm taking a psycholigical battering and all I can think of, apart from Corcorrans, is the posibility of work hard for 10 and a half weeks for sod all.

So all in all I don't know whether I'm on the plane and in Corcorrans or not and that, quite frankly, is the most important thing.

Sorry to be a misery.

07/03/2013 at 19:26
Stockholm Syndrome - it certainly looks like it

James B - this is bound to give you a kicking. You're doing the right thing. Forget the plan, go with what you can and work on getting to Paris able to run. If you push your knee too far, too early then that will be out of the window.
You've been doing the training so that will stand you in good stead, stamina wise. The event will boost your levels too.
Keep up with the stretches, they really are the answer.
07/03/2013 at 19:35

James - I completely get where you're at. My last 3 marathons were all preceded by an injury of some kind. All came in the last 3 weeks and last year it was 10 days prior to the race. I remember hobbling around wondering how the **** I was going to run 26 miles in a week's time. 

I'm telling you all this because on all 3 occasions I managed to do the race with only very minor irritation (no irritation in one case) so whilst it is absolutely gutting to have to rest there certainly is hope if you do.

I did no running between injury and marathon (bar a small jog the day before to check I could still move). I think I had just overdone it and my body was screaming for a rest. Hopefully that's all you've done and it'll all be fine come Paris. You have several weeks left so there is time.

I know it's hard but stay positive. Maybe swim or do some other non-impact stuff and give the legs a rest.

Haven't read back but have you seen the physio yet?

07/03/2013 at 19:42

Emmy, if you intend to drink the Powerade, it might be an idea to email the organisers for clarification because the map shows only one  'Energy Drink' 22k...but , in previous years and despite similar maps, there were 2 30 k( ? Right, DLR?) and about 36 (?).

*I did ask them exactly how many portaloos they would provide and where they would be but they just ignored me.. *Start Alert...again. Don't rely on finding any anywhere near the Arc. *

James, you must be really p***** off. Can you keep up your fitness swimming  and cycling..?( I mean, can you fit these sessions in? Long bike rides..)Don't despair.Things can change. Have you considered massage to add to the stretching? And of course you're getting on the plane. The  current goal is, still, to get to the Start. Stick to the physio's plan and make other decisions later. Nothing you've done in the last 10+ weeks has been wasted. Nothing.


07/03/2013 at 20:12
Bottle of Stella helps.

Malcs - reckons repetitive movement problem. Suggested if stretches don't work then swimming and cycling until Paris and hope for the best to get through. Then start work afterwards to resolve issue.

Problem is not keen on swimming or cycling which is why I run.

Never: more Stella barman.
07/03/2013 at 20:15
James, In 2010 for my first marathon, I injured my Achilles in training 6 wks before race day and my sports physio said you shouldn't run, but I know you will so let's just try to manage it. I got to the start, it was a struggle but I got round. You've already earned that medal mate, you just got to show up and collect it , even if it takes ages !! (Just get round in the alloted time if you have to, there will be others doing that) lay down a marker, get healed after the race, sign up for Amsterdam and go and beat it up!
07/03/2013 at 20:19

James - Really sorry to hear about your injury problems. One thing though rest up if you need it. It'll go against your every instict as a runner. You'll panic about missing sessions, feel like your race is doomed, but you'll be far better to rest up and be healthy if a bit shorter in fitnes on the start line than to try and put in some miles and turn up injured. I broke my toe three weeks before Paris last year and had a week of no running at all. I thought my race was over and felt miserable, but not only did I make the start line I did so and ran a PB. If anything that week of total rest probably helped me.

For those with lost mojo's I thought that was normal for about this point in marathon training. Normally by this point I'm mentally at that point of just wanting the taper to start and get on that start line. The only reason I don't have thaty juts now is mentally I'm still fresh as I lost so much training to injury and illness this time around.

07/03/2013 at 20:24
James - another one here who's been injured 3 weeks out and cut right back on he training before the race. Can you get access to a cross trainer/elliptical trainer somewhere, and would that be kinder on your knee? It's a bit more like running than cycling or swimming.
07/03/2013 at 20:48
Get one of those temporary gym memberships that last for 30 days
Dark Vader    pirate
07/03/2013 at 22:03

So..  today I have driven 610 miles on a cupful of diesel and have come to the undeniable simple fact that speed limits on our roads are too slow...   of those miles, about 460 were on motorways and I had the car on cruise at 65 mph...  apart from overtaking lorries, I was one of the slowest cars on the road.  Almost without exception, everyone was driving, I'm guessing, about 80-ish, maybe a little more.   However, I didn't see anyone especially fast - approaching 100-ish.   It was all just faster than the speed limit but not excessively so.

No incidents...   all perfectly safe....   it's definitely time to up the limit from 70...   everyone is already doing it...  



07/03/2013 at 23:07

James B 73:

I sympathise completely. Can't remember your exact symptoms, but I've experienced a weird, inflamed discomfort on front of right kneecap while training for last year's Paris and 2011 in London. I totally let it get to me at London (my first marathon) but still finished. In Paris it started on the slight incline halfway round and I ran through it. Managed 3.13. Get a foam roller and grind those ITB's. It genuinely helps!

I'm 50 and have very flat feet. I'm finally trying orthoses (having previously relied on stability shoes only) and the knee thing seems to have gone (touch wood). But the flat feet, the ITB and the knee discomfort are all linked in my case, and the foam-roller is a godsend. Hurts like hell at first, then becomes curiously satisfying.

Good luck. You WILL do it.

08/03/2013 at 05:51

ATM - I can remember having Powerade at Trocadero and can also recall getting some in the Bois de Boulogne.

James - hang in there.  It's not great but at this stage of training everything seems worse than it is.  Go with the cycling for 3 weeks.  Its all I'm doing at the moment (but get some padded shorts...).

DV - I'm inclined to agree but I've heard the argument advanced that whatever the limit is people will do a few miles more, so if it's 70 people feel it's ok to do 70-80 but if it were 80 they'd feel 80-90 was fine.  I confess that I am/was one of them but unless I'm pushed for time and the motorway is fairly clear I tend to hover round 65-70 now as it saves a few bob and is a more stress free way to drive.

Dark Vader    pirate
08/03/2013 at 06:42

James..   sorry to hear about the knee.   At this stage, caution is better than bravery...  I'm constantly on here banging on about taking it easy...   just take time off, rest and re-evaluate your goals...  its better to go and have some fun and just get round, regardless of how long it takes than to stick to a plan and then not even be able to hobble....


Dark Vader    pirate
08/03/2013 at 06:46

DLR..   yes, I know what you mean...   but that's really an argument of enforcement and not of safety...   I too used to be a fast driver, especially when we had the Porsche...  I would live in the fast lane.  Now, I take care of the Mini (its now done 166,000 miles!) and I'm more aware of fuel economy so am happy to drive slower and let everyone go...



08/03/2013 at 07:44
Advice from the panel please - mid/lower back pain requiring anti-inflammatories and paracetamol regularly, interfering with sleep for 3 days now. No worse on treadmill yesterday. Have 5k and some miles tomorrow, half Sunday.

I guess I should know this - rest or push on, taking it carefully?

Thanks for advice. Iain
08/03/2013 at 08:15

I've also been experiencing this mojo some of you are talking about.   I'm having trouble taking days off, and the runs I'm going out for I seem to be going longer and faster than planned.   I've just got some genuine excitement about this race. 

I wish my Garmin shared the same excitement.  It now runs out of battery at 1:10.  I do hope to run a good time, but I don't think I'll be running a sub-1:10 this year.   Time for a new watch. 

As for those injured - I share your fustration.  I had knee problems before my first marathon.  They were so bad I needed to stop training.   I did the same as Malcs - just stopped running until just before race day.  I made it through in a little pain, but nothing more than what I expected.   After the race I saw 3 doctors until one finally figured out that I just needed a pair of orthotics (which somehow I didn't need in the 15 prior years of running).   I've had the same pair of orthotics for 13 years now (which is amazing because I almost throw them out with every old pair of shoes I get rid of) and my knees have been fine since.   Just listen to your body, take rest when you need it, keep your spirits up, and find the root of the problem by going to as many specialists as it takes.

TD - thanks for the tip on the Brain Training book.   Looks like an interesting read.  I think I may get a copy for the wife, who struggles with the mental side of running more than the physical.   She's been running for about 2 years now, and we train together and with no-one else (we go running at the same time, not at the same pace).   So she constantly gauges her progress in relation to someone who's been running for decades.   When she doesn't improve at the same rate I do, she questions what she's doing wrong.  We'll be moving in May and I'll look for some running clubs as I think having her see that people all progress at different rates will help a lot.   in the meantime, I think that book sounds like a great read. 

08/03/2013 at 08:31

Iain - my take is that on the one hand if it's not running triggered and running doesn't aggravate it then you're ok to cautiously run as cross training might bother it more; but if the 5k and half are races forget them.  If the pain is interfering with sleep for 3 days you wouldn't race them well so you wouldn't learn much from them.  Overall though, priority is to get the back sorted.

08/03/2013 at 08:48
Simon MacDoughnut wrote (see)

I love Gold bars. My favourite biscuit - ever better than Jaffa Cakes. If I put 8 of them in my gel belt they would all be gone by the 1K marker.

I am feeling run down, tired, have a sore head and throat so I'm taking a night off. Don't feel guilty at all. As long as I am OK for another 20 miles this weekend I'll be happy.

Me too, i love them!, i save one until about 8-10 miles and look forward to it so much that i run faster haha (sad i know lol). 

Dragged myself to running club last night, so nearly turned car around and went home but really glad i went.  It does make it easier sometimes having other people to push you along. 

Hope everyones injuries clear up for the race

08/03/2013 at 08:53
Thanks Rob. It's parkrun with a mate Saturday, so just a short slow plod and a half on Sunday that'll I'll decide about on the day. Just trying to get some miles in before taper but appreciate if make myself worse, Paris may be even more difficult than I expect.
08/03/2013 at 09:03

Ugh, I've caught the lethargies today.  Meant to be doign a 4 mile recovery run but giving that a miss and having a day off...

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