Paris Marathon 2013

...and the beat goes on...

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22/04/2013 at 14:54

Anne Hathaway mk II

22/04/2013 at 15:02

PF - you do know that Valentines day is February and Marathon day is April, don't you

Malcs - respect, mate. Well done.


22/04/2013 at 15:10
Orbutt wrote (see)

PF - you do know that Valentines day is February and Marathon day is April, don't you

Malcs - respect, mate. Well done.


Oh, yeah.  I didn't twig, and I can't blame taper madness.

22/04/2013 at 15:31
I'm doing the Boston run in Atlanta tonight, finishing with a chat with Jeff Galoway - 1972 marathon Olympian and 5th place Boston finisher. Should be fun.
22/04/2013 at 15:39

Dannirr - is he the chap that does the run-walk marathon method?

22/04/2013 at 16:22

Holy Moly its blowing a hoolie oot there.........I severly hope Sheena cancels our run tonight - I don't feel like going,  but I won't be the one to cancel either!!

I have had a very productive afternoon - I fell asleep in front of the fire! Means I will be playing catch up tomorrow..........

22/04/2013 at 16:22

After being busy since getting back from Paris I have completely lost this thread, sooo many posts I cant catch up.

Well done everyone who ran and supported in London, I was busy yesterday so couldnt watch it all but the support looked amazing.

Will definitely be applying for London next Monday with my fingers tightly crossed till October!

After a gentle run last Tuesday I did a few good sessions on the treadmill over the weekend and think I'm now fully recovered from Paris and raring to go.

Can the list fairy add me to the following:

27th April - Haldon Heartbeat

12th May - Killerton Half Mara 

22/04/2013 at 17:00
TartanPimpernel wrote (see)

Dannirr - is he the chap that does the run-walk marathon method?

Yes, he is.

22/04/2013 at 17:42

After about 10 hours sleep since 5:30am on Saturday my brain is a bit befuddled as I try to type this but ... having never experienced London Marathon - and been quite dismissive of it in many ways - yesterday was an eye opener in some respects.

The support really did seem very good aside from a few silent voyeurs here and there.  The people of London really did seem to buy into it.  Our spot at 11 miles felt quite different to the one we had at 8km in Paris.  Plenty of people at both but more energy in London and people there for far longer.

As a race though it sort of reinforced some of my negativity.  Paris seemed much, much more a runner's event.  When I saw the pacing groups go through I realised that in London I'd have felt like I was almost in the vanguard as the overwhelming majority of runners seemed to be first timers completing the marathon for charity rather than racing it for themselves.  The difficulty of London's start, and this, meant that runners were really spread out in the later stages.

Many of the runners seemed really naiive too.  JB noted that so few carried gels or anything with them and far more seemed in a bad way at 23 miles than I'd have expected.  They looked far worse than the competitors in Paris did at 24/25 miles - real chalk and cheese.   

However, as a spectacle of human endeavour and the range of emotions that go with it it was almost the gallant naiivety of the competitors that made it so moving and I will absolutely definitely be back again next year - plus I get to spend some time with some members of a great bunch of people.

IF Berlin goes ok I'd be interested to get a GFA for London in 2015 now, just to see what it would be like to run after hearing Eggy & Audrey's comments.



22/04/2013 at 17:51
Oooh DLR, GFA in Berlin?, that's pressure mate! I'm scared, think I'll set some more short term targets and hopefully the training will get us where we need to be. How bout a PB at Shrewsbury?
22/04/2013 at 17:51

Good observations Rob. Better to think of London as being 5 or 6 races all rolled into one event. There's the elite men and women, the wheelchair/ hand-bikers, the serious runners chasing times, the massed runners including tonnes of newbies who saw it on the TV and thought it would be a laugh and have run literally tens of miles in preparation and then there's this long tail of fancy dress/ charity runners. When I visited the Expo for VLM I thought I'd never seen such a collection of people who looked so un-athletic before.

As long as they don't get in the way of those who want a crack at a good time and they do raise a lot of charity money and wear some great costumes...  I think the whole lot put together draws out these fabulous crowds which is the making of the event.  (In fact, if you see the elite ladies go, there's hardly anyone on the streets). they all come out a bit later on.

Ballot for VLM opens on Monday 29th April. Give it a go.

Was supposed to be seeing Beth Orton in concert tonight, but she's got tired and homesick so called off the rest of her tour. Ah well, shall be working on ITLR prep instead.

22/04/2013 at 17:57
To echo what everyone has already said, the crowds and support at the London marathon are unlike any other event.

The runners at 23 miles were death marching, it seemed tougher than Paris. Maybe I've just blocked out the pain!
22/04/2013 at 18:01
The Jimbob wrote (see)
Oooh DLR, GFA in Berlin?, that's pressure mate! I'm scared, think I'll set some more short term targets and hopefully the training will get us where we need to be. How bout a PB at Shrewsbury?

Its a big IF Jim  Relies on me making full and quick recovery, great training and great conditions - none of those are guaranteed.

TD shame about the women's elites - people will have missed Jessica Augusto's bum 

22/04/2013 at 18:34

Malcs - 26 minutes off your PB! Wow! Brilliant effort. You do realise that, being so tantalisingly close to 3:30, that will be your new target whether you want it or not....

Kaz - only you would chase PB's on a postie's round!!

Been off work  sick today - must be a sickness and liquid stool bug.

Still can' taccess RW on my phone. Maybe Dr Iain is having the same problem? And this laptop is a nightmare.

Dark Vader    pirate
22/04/2013 at 18:39

Simon Mac..  I can't access RW on my phone anymore either...  

So much to say on the thread now....    that was a good observation DLR...


22/04/2013 at 18:45

Poor you Simon - that explains that bad day yesterday though.  Hope you're taking it easy - do you need the Stool Chart as a reference point??  I believe one exists somewhere...

Agree with what DLR said about London - I was really shocked at how few runners after, say, the 3:45 pace group were carrying gels or any kind of drink.  They were going mad for the jelly babies we were handing out....something I can't imagine doing in a race.  We must have offloaded 3 huge bags in about 10 minutes.

I was also quite suprised at how totally shattered a lot of people looked by mile 11.  Now, I have no point of reference as it's thre first marathon I've supported so maybe we look like that in Paris too, but I doubt it would be in such big numbers.

22/04/2013 at 18:59

I made the no gels error in my first marathon. I thought I'd thought of everything that day too but hit the wall terribly at 20 miles.

I didn't even know why I'd hit the wall either. I had read books and googled loads of running stuff at the time but never came across gels and fuelling - either that or I completely missed it. Maybe other beginners are the same. 

I should have known something was wrong when the guy next to me in the pens turned, looked me up and down and asked, "first time mate?"

Thanks again to everyone for the pats on the back - really do appreciate it. 

Simon Mac - ha ha Yes, 3:30 is tantelisingly close now. At least I don't have to knock off another 26 mins to get it - 3 will suffice  I have my place booked for York in October already!

Edited: 22/04/2013 at 19:02
22/04/2013 at 19:07

I had a chat to my cousin earlier - he's done both London and New York.  The first time, in London, he hit the wall spectacularly at 18 miles.  I asked him what had gone wrong and he said he's only ever run 18 miles in training.  Turns out he didn't use any gels, or indeed, anything else either.

Then he went and did exactly the same thing in New York

22/04/2013 at 19:25
One of the first things I leant on this thread was that you should do a lot of long runs in training. TD recommended 5 x 20. That's quite a tall order. I managed 2x16, 3x17, 2x19 and 2x21. Which is probably enough although I'm planning 2x20, 1x21 in the next campaign and more of my mid long runs will he at a higher intensity.

2nd point, gels on race day. As soon as you have even the slightest negative thought or doubt-get one down yer gob. My gel belt holds 7, I need one that holds 8 for the next time I do a marathon.
22/04/2013 at 19:38
Whew, catching up. I'm also having real problems accessing the forum on my phone.

Agree with a lot of what was said about the race and support yesterday. Very much a different event at the back. I was at Mudchute until the sweeper bus went past, and there were people in real trouble even at mile 17, who had obviously been walking for a while, if not the whole way. I was also thinking about gels, but what struck me was that very few of the fast club runners at the front seemed to be carrying them either - it was mostly the mid-pack, experienced but not necessarily lightning-fast runners who were running with gel belts and bum bags. Whether the faster guys were just organised with supporters at feed stations or not I don't know. I guess if you're only out for 2 1/2 hours, maybe you don't need so many?

Kaz - love the idea of you aiming for a PB (Postal Best).

PF - I'm going in the opposite direction - having had my hair shorter, I'm working on it 'hinging doon' (TP - you're not my long-lost sister are you?).

Plans for this year and next are forming in my head. Ideal plan would be Isle of Maus marathon in August, but run as a training run for Ladybower (possibly with a few extra miles). If I do that one under 5 hours it can be my qualifier for Comrades (needs to be a marathon or further after 1 June this year). Ladybower 35 in September. Boston next April, if I can, or Paris if I can't. Then Comrades. Then maybe London in 2015 (GFA lasts for 2 years).

Dannirr - interesting thought about Boston. I was wondering if it might be more difficult to get in next year, if they offered places to people who ran this year but didn't get to finish.

Of course, all this rather relies on my getting off my backside and actually doing some running, of which I've done precious little recently.
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