RunLiverpool Marathon 2011

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10/10/2011 at 23:28
Paul Willgoss wrote (see)
Why?
 

I'm guessing this is directed at me, as I just posted randomly about possibly being near you at the start   I think it was you, as the person behind me was talking to another runner about their diabetes and the timingof the start, and sorting out their blood sugar levels.

10/10/2011 at 23:29

i was entered into chester mara yesterday sadly coul not take part due to injury so went along to watch the runliverpool marathon, i was over at birkenhead in the morning as a friend was running and then i made my way over to cheer her on at several points on the liverpool side and i agree with everyone it was great for liverpool, but...........................................

 please just take my views as my own opinions to wich im entitled to air.

1. once again not enough toilets at the start

2. the pa in the park was not suitable and too far from the runners it was impossible to hear anything and information about the delay was not good enough

3. the start area was too narrow for the estimated numbers thank god there was not 12000 as reported

4. the times show the course was too tough for a city marathon

5. very little entertainement along the course so spectators were not drawn to various parts of the course my friend said between town and the parks was really lonely

10/10/2011 at 23:30

6. very little signage and stewards i spoke with a lot of stragglers who were confused what way to go in the parks 

7. spoke with one policeman on a bike near sefton/princess park and he told me the delay was due to not enough police to enforce the road closures, it is down to the organisers to pay for police coverage he also said several runners run through princess park instead of round it as there was no steward/signage

8. spoke to local residents who were asking for directions who had recieved incorrect information about access

9. my friend who run in the event wore a nike foot pod thingy as she was aware garmin would not work in the tunnel and she got 27 miles? did anyone else have issue with distance also she said mile markers were not accurate

10. i went for a run at sefton park this morning and was dissapointed to find that there was lots of discarded bottles/gels still in and around the park

11. also spoke with several runners who complained of no vasealine around the course....surely a marathon must

12. the pens at the start where marshalled by young cadets, not a professional look at all and many entering any pen they wanted, after everyone left the pens the cadets where gone and so people entered any pen, similar chaos to the liverpool half, i looked at some pictures online and checked the results there are runners on the front row at the start who went on to do 5-6 hrs is the front not reserved for elites

13. the baggage looked reall good at the start, similar to london with bags going on hgvs but at the finish i have never seen anything like it....my friend and i looked for baggage for almost 1/2 hour (looking for the trucks) only to find that all the bags where left on a muddy wet unused bit of land that was not marshalled and everyone had access to...heard lots of peopl complaining as they had left phones keys etc so were relieved to get them back....never seen anything like it, done the penny lane 10k ealier this year and it is a small club race and the baggage was exceptional

14. sound at the finish again poor and hard to understand

15. surely it should be called the mersey marathon....as most of the course is in birkenhead, and the liverpool section at the parks i was getting dizzy and it was hard as a spectator so must of been tough for runners to do so many small loops of the paths through the parks, a city marathon should surely be a road event? and dont say its all about cost, almost £50 is a lot of money if the organisation can not afford financially to stage the event this city deserves then leave it to a larger

10/10/2011 at 23:30

organisation that can

while runliverpool are the controlling factor of this marathon i wont take part as i have chose to not take part in any of there events, if however after the complaints and police reports the council decide to look for a different supplier i would very much love to run a liverpool marathon next year.

for me runliverpool have had there chance now lets get a larger company in to deliver the event this great city deserves, i know run liverpool and mr rothwell have a good following on here and many will not like my honest opinions but it is always the same problems so lessons are not learned and there events keep getting more expensive and yet they continue to say they are not for profit.....what a joke

 

10/10/2011 at 23:57

Alan I absolutely loved it. I thought the course was brilliant and the race very well organised. You've outdone yourself. What a success! I've heard nothing but good comments from everyone I know. Didn't the people of Liverpool do themselves proud! What a reception coming out of the tunnel and such an amazing finish with the streets lined with people.

Sorry about the sweaty hug at the end. It's emotional running marathons!

Congratulations to all at Rothwell Towers and thanks for the many months of hard work.

10/10/2011 at 23:59

Tealsocks :- Ah yes, i clearly remember shouting you now and yes you did acknowledge me lol, Well done, its also nice to know that my shouting was appreciated and its nice to know i was shouting some runnerswold buddies on

Run Fat Boy RUN :- Can i ask as a spectator what mile markers did you spectate at, just interested to know how you got around so much of the course, i was on foot, and left Birkenhead park before the start so i could go and stand at mile 2 and when i get to mile 15 after coming across the tunnel by the train there is no way i could have got up to Sefton Park on foot, but I didnt know public transport well enough if there was a way up there via a bus or something ( perhaps i should bring a pushbike next time, i was very tempted )

I'm sorry you've got a problem with RunLiverpool ( I've not had any experience of them before this weekend ) but I would just like to say that the FabFour run which I did take part in on the saturday which was organised by them, i was very impressed with, they put on a bus to take us to Sefton Park from Mann Island ( usually any small runs that i have done like 10k's i've had to make my own way there ) They had music and gave us all Beatles wigs to put on ( along with Fab four t.shirts ) and we were all singing along to Beatles songs and the whole atmosphere was brilliant the best fun run I have ever had, and they took us on a little diversion route of Penny Lane and allowed us to get out and do our pictures outside the barbers

I know that a 4mile run is small fries compared to a marathon but just to say that it was totally totally brilliant and I loved it and would defintely take part again, perhaps next year you could try it

Jo

11/10/2011 at 00:10
At 9.45 yesterday as we all waited to start although many people where anxious the atmosphere was calm and I said to a couple of people they must be having a whip round for the tunnel toll. As we waited somebody passed a tub of jelly beans around and we all took one.The PA system was poor for the 4-6 hour pens and I felt sorry for the girls because the lads could jump over the fence for a pee but the girls had to q up again.
I'd run the course a few times around Liverpool side and next year maybe put up some markers in Sefton Park cos it definately a long and winding road.The wind did n,t help down Upper Parly but we all took it.All runners who stood in the pens waiting for the start should be proud of themsealves for their patience and should knock off a chunk of there time because of there energy levels were up and ready for 9:30 and no other Marathon could of done that delay.
Alan you're team did well from the greeters in the Park to the cadets in the baggage claim.
Maybe if the event got more publicity from the start the ECHO had a few snipetts now and then and it summed it up tonight Mon 10th BBC North West said FA about any of the marathons but gave the Manchester 10ks loads of coverage.
Well done Alan and co ,the race helped me get my Grand Target for Breakthrough Breast Cancer Charity and my nick name Yozzer got people chee in me on .Thanks to all my sponsors.
11/10/2011 at 01:20

not sure if the link will work but just found this, i'm the runner in the red top ( i'm quite proud i'm in the Liverpool Echo lol )  but this was such a fab four run lol ( sorry if i'm repeating myself )

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/multimedia/news/latest-news/images/2011/10/08/run-for-your-life-fab-four-fun-run-warm-up-for-liverpool-marathon-100252-29561964/

If you click through the photos you will see Ulen MAABOF in the luminous green tshirt as well, oh and you will see i'm having to hold my wig on in some of the photos lol

11/10/2011 at 01:22
t j 11 wrote (see)

I appreciate what you are saying Scouse Elvis and completely understand what you mean. Run liverpool have done amazingly well at putting this event (and others) on and are clearly passionate about what they do. 

However, reading the comments post marathon, I haven't really come across any that  were unfair or slander towards the event organiser, they we're just people's experiences of their run.

I'm still happy that my first and last marathon was lpool!


I agree with you tj, all previous posts up to that point were people' opinions, I meant that occasionally you do get people who appear to pop up to create disharmony, people such as Run Fat Boy Run who appears to have managed to get around the whole of the course, both at the beginning, and the end as a spectator following a friend who was a straggler, talking to the police and locals on their view of the event and then walking the route again this morning just to see if it had been completely cleared less than 24 hours after the event?

RFBR, just a couple of points for clarification, not to argue or slam, just points of clarification. There was vaseline on the course before the tunnel on the Wirral side (although I imagine most people, like myself, used their own stuff pre-race? Or am I a bit weird for not wanting to dip my hands in to a communal pot of vaseline to then rub on my groin?)

Looking for the baggae for half an hour? I had just ran the marathon and had the sense to ask a volunteer where the baggage was, He pointed to a place about 100 yards from the finish and said, over there by that 30 foot high needle and I was there within a minute of finishing.

There is a difference between putting forward constructive criticisms of an event (I mentioned in my first post that we could have been better informed of the delay at the start) and appearing to come on with a lengthy list of what appear to be mostly unfounded comments in an attempt to spark hostility or emnity towards regular posters or the organisers themselves.

I am off to bed now as I have just seen a 30 mile trail race in Yorkshire in mid november that is open to walkers (so not breaking my no marathon ruling) and I was thinking of signing up!

11/10/2011 at 01:44
Just make sure you don't break into a run in Yorkshire, Scouse Elvis, or one of us WILL have to shoot you...
Edited: 11/10/2011 at 01:50
11/10/2011 at 02:03
Scouse Elvis, go on, u know u want2 do it, lol and u never know by the end of the week, u might sign up 2another marathon
11/10/2011 at 06:15
tealsocks wrote (see)
Paul Willgoss wrote (see)
Why?
 

I'm guessing this is directed at me, as I just posted randomly about possibly being near you at the start   I think it was you, as the person behind me was talking to another runner about their diabetes and the timingof the start, and sorting out their blood sugar levels.


tealsocks wrote (see)
Paul Willgoss wrote (see)
Why?
 

I'm guessing this is directed at me, as I just posted randomly about possibly being near you at the start   I think it was you, as the person behind me was talking to another runner about their diabetes and the timingof the start, and sorting out their blood sugar levels.


I was enquiring about your suggestion about an "r"...

Nope, not me - I wouldn't worry another runner about my problems like that, I've had people assume that I'm type I and about to go into a hypo before now and try and shepherd me around the course... which doesn't do me or them any good.  So I very rarely talk about my health conditions on the start line... I also get similar reactions when I mention my heart defect (I was born with it) so tend not to mention that either unless asked... 

Paul

ps sorry - no idea why its quoting twice and it won't let me delete one...

Edited: 11/10/2011 at 06:16
11/10/2011 at 06:52
Morning all
I don't know why some people feel the need to jump down the throats of anyone who dares to make a negative comment. It is the negative comments that will make the event bigger and better.
A race day experience is a very personal experience and certainly for first timers it is easy to blame the race organisers if your run didn't go to plan. A marathon race is whole different thing to a 20 mile training run.
Well done to everyone that completed it. Try not to dwell on the bad points but look for the positives.
The parks weren't that bad, were they?
RFBR you are in no position to comment as you didn't even run and your 'facts' are way off the mark.
Hope everyone is recovering well. Try a little half mile jog it will help loosen the muscles.
LIVERBIRD    pirate
11/10/2011 at 07:17
Paul Willgoss wrote (see)

OK, p 21 - Section marked Walkers & Back Markers. - Do the math! 15 min miles is 6:30... You read the bit that says 6 hours, I'll do the calculations on Run Liverpool' numbers (oh and my Marathon PB is under 6 hours)

It also says "this is primarily a RUNNING event" 15 minute miles is 4 mph and I can walk that. I suggest you stick to LWDA events. I'm slightly bored of you now so we'll leave it be.

Run Fat Boy RUN... wrote (see)

organisation that can

while runliverpool are the controlling factor of this marathon i wont take part as i have chose to not take part in any of there events, if however after the complaints and police reports the council decide to look for a different supplier i would very much love to run a liverpool marathon next year.

for me runliverpool have had there chance now lets get a larger company in to deliver the event this great city deserves, i know run liverpool and mr rothwell have a good following on here and many will not like my honest opinions but it is always the same problems so lessons are not learned and there events keep getting more expensive and yet they continue to say they are not for profit.....what a joke

So let's get this right - you don't RUN in RL events, but yet you felt the need to come on here and slate something you had nothing to do with and no experience of? FOR WHAT?

I suggest you go and find something better to do in order to get over yourself. Anyone can see a mile off that you have a personal issue with Alan and only came on here to cause trouble.

Run along Fat lad....

LIVERBIRD    pirate
11/10/2011 at 07:28
paul 22 wrote (see)
Morning all I don't know why some people feel the need to jump down the throats of anyone who dares to make a negative comment. It is the negative comments that will make the event bigger and better.

There's positive criticism and then there's just mindless negativity. Positive criticism would include the suggestion that maybe the Sefton park multiple twists were too long and negativity would be something like "the delay was Alan's fault and he should be blamed for stuff that has nothing to do with his organisation".

Positive criticism is healthy. It can be done in such a way that nobody feels attacked or devalued and it DOES make for a better experience next time. Let's not forget that this was the BIRTH of the marathon and there was always going to be "something" that could be tweaked to improve it. If you ask Dave Bedford, I bet he's made some changes to London in the last 30 years.

I take issue with people deliberately coming on here to complain and cause trouble when their ONLY true mission is to have a go at RL and they do by saying "I'm only being honest" which is rubbish. ALL our opinions are biased by their very nature.

I think the consensus is that most people had a wonderful day and are delighted to have taken part. Mr LB is still really struggling (and he was one of those who DID take 6 hours and this was his 12th marathon) but I'll make him get out of bed today and go for a little run!

I KNOW how hard it was for those who took the longest time on Sunday. I was there to see the pain in their eyes. You can only imagine how satisfying it was to see them 100 yards from the finish KNOWING they were going to make it. It was like Christmas morning when you're 5!

11/10/2011 at 07:28

Liverbird - why are you so attacking of anyone who provides any comment that is less that 100% positive? Or is something personal against me, I don't think we've ever met!

No run is perfect, I've offered my view in good faith, you seem to have decided to be the defender of the faith, and my views don't count.

I've said nothing that others haven't said here or on Facebook, I may have a different aspect/view on them - and that is to be expected we all ran different runs, because we're all different.

I've run in RL events for about 4/5 years, and promoted them to friends and work mates, so you can't dismiss my views on that count, you can ignore them because they bore you - that is your right (though telling everyone that you are is an odd way of ignoring them -as by so doing you are drawing attention to them).

Paul

11/10/2011 at 07:38

Morning all - wow - some people are not happy! This was my first marathon so can't compare against others, but have run quite a few 10k's and 1/2 marathons and thought overall this event was really well organised.

As someone has said, with races of this size you need to expect the unexpected.....the delay was a bummer but we all got going eventually and the start seemed ok to me, they're always congested in my experience.  Sefton park was hard, but as someone else has mentioned post 18 miles in any race would be hard, but this seemed doubly so due to hills leading up to it. Maybe in future this part of the course could be revised....

What made it for me was the spectators...never experienced anything like it. I have ran in races with lots of crowds, so maybe it was the distance and the fact I was tired that made it so much more important. Quite pleased with myself that I was still high-fiving little kids in the very last bit of the race....and I managed to see my own kid which was really special for me.

In short, I thought it was brilliant.

11/10/2011 at 08:05

Huge thanks and respect to –

 
  • Everyone at RunLiverpool
  • Everyone who offered me help and support before, during and after the marathon
  • Everyone else along the route of the course offering their support to friends and loved ones, and to total strangers, whether by cheers, screams, jelly beans, samba or just being there
  • Everyone who finished or tried to finish this fantastic race 

This was my first marathon and I was disappointed with my time (worst ever age related performance) but I am so proud that I did it.

cougie    pirate
11/10/2011 at 08:46
Constructive criticism is fine but anyone can see that RFBR has an agenda. Before his posts yesterday he'd last posted in the summer - again criticising a run liverpool event.
Strange eh ?

Oh just noticed yesterday that the race was called the long and winding road. Very good Alan - I see what you did there !
LIVERBIRD    pirate
11/10/2011 at 09:04

LOL Cougie!

Would you believe I have a half decent photo of you too?

Llamafarmer - someone stood quite close to me in the park seemed to have a never ending supply of jelly babies in a kids pram!  The grateful look on some of the runners faces as they realised they could bite the head of these colourful sugary men at 20 miles was a sight to behold!

People are really very generous. My favourite EVER thing given at a race was an ice pop at Great North Run. They were being handed out by people who didn't seem to have much to spare but wanted to support the runners. I love it when communities come together.

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