Sensitive runners collapsing

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01/10/2012 at 11:52

Wasn't sure if this was the right place to post but thought wasn't right for Clubhouse.

Did my first ever race yesterday with kids and OH watching. Sadly a runner collapsed in front of them. Am hoping he is okay as haven't heard anything to contrary.

Kids were a bit freaked about this and are now worried about me running. I have told them that it is very unusual and that but what else can I tell them? My oldest in particular needs cold hard facts.

01/10/2012 at 12:15

Just say he got super tired because he was trying really really hard and ran out of energy, but he's fine now he's had something to eat and a rest.

Usually this would be a case with a collapse - I have certainly done this in a race when I was pushing at my limit and didn't quite make it to the end. There's a fine line between best ever race and not finishing sometimes!

01/10/2012 at 12:24

Without wishing to worry you, in two half marathons I did in less than a year, someone collapsed and died near or at the finish line.

However, this IS unusual, and I guess the only thing you can do is keep telling them what DiS has said above!

01/10/2012 at 13:12
dancing in spikes wrote (see)

Just say he got super tired because he was trying really really hard and ran out of energy, but he's fine now he's had something to eat and a rest.

Usually this would be a case with a collapse - I have certainly done this in a race when I was pushing at my limit and didn't quite make it to the end. There's a fine line between best ever race and not finishing sometimes!

My concern is with that is what if that turns out not be true. Then kids will trust my reassurances even less.

Wilkie wrote (see)

Without wishing to worry you, in two half marathons I did in less than a year, someone collapsed and died near or at the finish line.

However, this IS unusual, and I guess the only thing you can do is keep telling them what DiS has said above!

I genuinely fear that this has happenned as what I understand is a classic case i.e. a middle aged man. They were also trying to find a defibrillator before the ambulance came.

If anyone has any stats that could reassure my kids would be very grateful.

01/10/2012 at 13:18
Crimson wrote (see)

If anyone has any stats that could reassure my kids would be very grateful.

 

100% of runners will die sometime.

01/10/2012 at 13:23
skotty wrote (see)
Crimson wrote (see)

If anyone has any stats that could reassure my kids would be very grateful.

 

100% of runners will die sometime.

As will 100% of non runners! Not quite the stats I was looking for!

seren nos    pirate
01/10/2012 at 13:25

more likely to die if you are a couch potato than a runner

01/10/2012 at 13:30
seren nos wrote (see)

more likely to die if you are a couch potato than a runner

really?

i'd like to see the stats on that one.

cougie    pirate
01/10/2012 at 14:02
Lol !

How many runners did they see that didn't collapse ?
People keel over every day - mostly in the comfort of their own home - it's just that your kids don't see this.

It would be silly to give up running based on one poor fellow

What was the race ? Someone will know the outcome.
01/10/2012 at 14:09

This is an interesting thread. My wife's dad was quite a good runner (1:29 for a HM at about 45) but had a heart attack while out for a jog in his early 50s (he is okay now by way and in his 70s). They also were watching me at 25th GNR when someone collapsed in front of them and subsequently died. 

As a result my wife and kids are very opposed to me doing a full marathon and don't really like me running HM for fast times (although I can get away with this because by time I have finished the fact I didn't run nice and easy is a bit too late to do anything about!). So up to now I have still not done a full M.

I am working towards them feeling more comfortable about this by doing a lot of running and think if I get up to training runs of nearly 20 miles as part of HM training - most is 16 miles up to now - then they might feel more relaxed about it.

But every year someone dies in GNR or LM then this reignites their opposition.

The one big plus point is that I am so much more fun and have so much more energy when I am running that they can see that it is really good for me - better to be running and feel alive than be a couch potato and feel lethargic all your life whatever the risks surely? Of course their counter argument is that this can be achieved with 5 mile runs, there is no need for 26 and, in all fairness, they are probably right!

01/10/2012 at 14:11
Crimson wrote (see)

Wasn't sure if this was the right place to post but thought wasn't right for Clubhouse.

Did my first ever race yesterday with kids and OH watching. Sadly a runner collapsed in front of them. Am hoping he is okay as haven't heard anything to contrary.

Kids were a bit freaked about this and are now worried about me running. I have told them that it is very unusual and that but what else can I tell them? My oldest in particular needs cold hard facts.

You're in trouble if they see a bad car crash sometime, which they will.

01/10/2012 at 14:12
Ultra cougie wrote (see)
Lol !

How many runners did they see that didn't collapse ?
People keel over every day - mostly in the comfort of their own home - it's just that your kids don't see this.

It would be silly to give up running based on one poor fellow

What was the race ? Someone will know the outcome.

I have no intention of giving up just need to reassure kids. Youngest has been fine with general reassurance but oldest needs actual stats. Has realised that he saw 1 collapse out of a possible 600 but he equates that to a 1 in 600 chance of something happening which is too risky for him.

Do you think it would be ok to name the race to see of anyone knows as it is only a small local one so not sure a) if anyone would know and b) whether it would be fair to man and his family anyway?

01/10/2012 at 14:17
01/10/2012 at 14:17
JF50 wrote (see)
Crimson wrote (see)

Wasn't sure if this was the right place to post but thought wasn't right for Clubhouse.

Did my first ever race yesterday with kids and OH watching. Sadly a runner collapsed in front of them. Am hoping he is okay as haven't heard anything to contrary.

Kids were a bit freaked about this and are now worried about me running. I have told them that it is very unusual and that but what else can I tell them? My oldest in particular needs cold hard facts.

You're in trouble if they see a bad car crash sometime, which they will.

They have seen that and been ok but usually any casualties are in the car and you are too so I think you feel distanced from it. Plus my oldest knows the stats on fatalties per road miles! He is so going to be an actuary isn't he!?

cougie    pirate
01/10/2012 at 14:19
The bbc mentions it if it happens. It's sad but it's news.
01/10/2012 at 14:21

skotty - thanks for link to that article - I would show my wife and kids but I do a lot of driving!

01/10/2012 at 14:33
skotty wrote (see)

some info and statistics here:

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-285--12948-0,00.html

Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for the comparative stats will especially help.

Skinny Fetish Fan wrote (see)

This is an interesting thread. My wife's dad was quite a good runner (1:29 for a HM at about 45) but had a heart attack while out for a jog in his early 50s (he is okay now by way and in his 70s). They also were watching me at 25th GNR when someone collapsed in front of them and subsequently died. 

As a result my wife and kids are very opposed to me doing a full marathon and don't really like me running HM for fast times (although I can get away with this because by time I have finished the fact I didn't run nice and easy is a bit too late to do anything about!). So up to now I have still not done a full M.

I am working towards them feeling more comfortable about this by doing a lot of running and think if I get up to training runs of nearly 20 miles as part of HM training - most is 16 miles up to now - then they might feel more relaxed about it.

But every year someone dies in GNR or LM then this reignites their opposition.

The one big plus point is that I am so much more fun and have so much more energy when I am running that they can see that it is really good for me - better to be running and feel alive than be a couch potato and feel lethargic all your life whatever the risks surely? Of course their counter argument is that this can be achieved with 5 mile runs, there is no need for 26 and, in all fairness, they are probably right!

Glad to hear that your FIL recovered okay.

Do you think they would be reassured by the link that skotty kindly posted?

Or alternatively what if you had some kind of screening? I am fortunate to have recently had to have an ECG etc due to my blood pressure (now diagnosed as white coat hypertension) so can say that majority of deaths are heart related and mine has been checked over.

01/10/2012 at 14:35
Ultra cougie wrote (see)
The bbc mentions it if it happens. It's sad but it's news.

As my journo friend says Man/Woman has heart attack on sofa watching TV = no headline Man/Woman has heart attack during race = headline.

01/10/2012 at 17:55
How old is your eldest?
01/10/2012 at 18:15

Princess Leah wrote (see)

How old is your eldest?


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