Has anybody else nearly been taken out of a race (I don't mean instructed to leave by a marshall i.e. disqualified - I mean injured/forced to abandon race) by another runner wearing earphones or headphones who wasn't aware you were there? Or has it actually happened to you? It nearly happened to me in a half marathon yesterday. Normally the people who ignore the race rule not to use mp3 players aren't too much of a nuisance, but yesterday i was accelerating down a hill and the other runner didn't know i was coming through and didn't hear me calling to him to not block me off. It was push him out the way, break hard or end up in a ditch and although I say it myself, the speed I was travelling at made only the former desireable. Just for the record he was closing a gap I was planning to go through on the inside as I bore down on him fast, it wasn't a case of me expecting everybody to get out my way.
I personally think race organisers need to get tough on these people because they just ignore the polite request not to use mp3 players during races. If they want to use them whilst training then that is one thing. Using them in races with other people all around you is another.
just because they are wearing headphones doesn't give you the automatic right to go through on the inside.
I would say there was a 4th option... you could have tried to hurdle them. Probably wouldn't have worked but would have been hilarious.
You were at the back, so it was your responsibility to ensure you could pass safely.
none of you were there, so I don't think you can comment on how it happened yesterday and whose fault it was. I was asking if anybody else has been close to or actually got injured because of some idiot who cannot see that wearing headphones in a race with loads of other runners around them is likely to cause problems.
i knew some people would assume i was running stupid, so I tried to pre-empt it in my original post. There was a gap of around a metre wide, easily enough room to go through. But as I was closing down on him fast he decided to move across and block my run. Surely this advocates the banning of ipods, because I saw the problem in advance and called out to him that i was there and coming through. If he wasn't wearing headphones he would have heard me and the collision would not have been close.
In the later stages of races some people have burnt themselves out and are travelling pretty slowly. Others who have saved something are now travelling well and their speed is amplified when descending a hill. Do you suggest Intermanaut that I have to slow down when approaching every slow runner I encounter in case they are wearing headphones and won't hear me when it is they who are disobeying the race rule of wearing ipods? Some people really see the world in a funny light!
LapDog - we don't need to be there. You already gave enough information when you said that you were overtaking. You were at the back. You were responsible for ensuring a safe over-taking manoeuvre. QED.
I agree with lapdog. These people are a bl**dy nuisance and race organisers should remove them from the results list and ban them from the next year's event. All race entrants have a duty of care to all other entrants. If you are oblivious to your surroundings you are a menace and potentially dangerous (especially if the roads are still open to traffic).
What is wrong in soaking up the atmosphere of the race and the encouragement of marshalls and supports alike. That is one of the key differences of racing rather than training.
Let me guess....you too are one of these selfish people who won't comply with this safety request because you don't want to and can't appreciate the problem you are making for other people?
Let me try one last time....it would have been a safe over-taking manoeuvre had he not disobeyed race rules and worn headphones, because he would have heard I was there. He moved across my once clear path because he had no idea i was there because he had blocked his hearing out with music. I don't care where you get your silly "official rules of running and etiquette" from, if you can't grasp even that simple concept.
Just out of interest.. what would you, 'fountain of all running knowledge', have done in my position? Do you wait behind very slow runners until you absolutely sure it is safe to go past them, giving them a wide berth mind, just in case.
And don't end things with 'QED', not if you want to be liked by other human beings, because it does make you sound a complete £%&$.
well said Russell....totally agree with everything you just said.
I don't use headphones but don't have a problem with those who do. I can usually overtake safely enough either way.
Out of interest what about people like me who have headphones on but no music?
I have them as I have an app that tells me my pace at set intervals (I can set them). This is because an app is free/cheap (can't remember how much if anything it was) whereas something like a GPS watch I cannot justify the expense of.
Plus not sure whether fiddling with a watch would be just as distracting as having app tell you your pace in your ear.
That the runner was tuned in is irrelevant. What would you have done if he'd not been tuned in and still didn't hear you because he was deaf? Would you have still been a tool?
What do I do? I'd make a safe overtaking move.
I don't run with music any more. I used to in training, and I used to in events where it was permitted. Mind you, the only event I've run over the last few years where they're not permitted is the Evesham 10k.
@Russell Eaton - how do you know that someone who's wearing headphones isn't fully aware of what's going on around them? If I'm plugged in I'm pay far more attention than when I'm not.
@Crimson - the ban isn't on iPods or MP3 players - it's on being plugged in to headphones, so you'd be DQ'd.
Could someone put the lid back on the can, please?
Same problem driving.. all those slow buggers getting in the way...
Its perfectly simple.. regardless of whether the person has an awareness of your presence or not, if you are over-taking then its YOUR responsibility to take all factors into account before you do so. If there is someone in front of you, or the way is restricted width then you need more care. Simply shouting at someone and expecting them to comply with your request doesn't give you right of way. He could easily have heard you.. and ignored you... or, as someone else said, had a hearing problem.
@Katrina 0 2 - there is no big deal. It's more of an issue because people have made it so.
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