Christmas Present Suggestion

Brilliant gadget for injury avoidance/ recovery improvement

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10/12/2009 at 13:24

Hi folks.  I just posted something on another thread where someone was asking about ice baths and it made me think of this.

Lots of us who do distance running have trouble with avoiding injuries. If you're not sure what to get as a Christmas present but would love to have better recoveries, feel energised, avoid painful things like shin splints, achey muscles, physical tiredness and stiffness etc, I'd love to recommend this to you.

I've been using it for over a year and along with my Garmin 305, it's my most prized gadget which I now consider essential to my marathon training. My training partner also has one and together we jokingly refer to it as our "Miracle Device" because we were very cynical about using it but have been so pleased with the results.

It works by applying tiny micro-currents through your body which stimulate the production of ATP (which is the most basic unit of chemical energy storage in the body).  This is the stuff that gives your cells the energy they need to regenerate.  So if you can boost ATP, you will recover quicker.  The company that makes this device specialises in wound treatment, accelerating recovery for burns victims, polio patients etc).  But this device is aimed at sports people, to aid recovery.  It's got nothing to do with those silly "get fab abs in just on ehour whilst eating burgers in front of the TV" muscle stimulation kits, nor is it like a TENS machine which offers pain relief.  (You can't feel anything while it is on and the currents are so low that 4 x AA batteries last 2-3 months of regular usage).

So, if you've still got space on your Crimbo present list, you might want to think about this.

10/12/2009 at 13:28
Thanks Fatty! 
10/12/2009 at 13:31
Holy cow!  Not cheap.
seren nos    pirate
10/12/2009 at 13:36

When I clicked on the science tab.............I got a blank page.............

can't say that I'm convinced in any way yet?

10/12/2009 at 15:17

Hey Puffy - I'm sure you had way more beer than me in Paris!! And your name is fatter Are you going back to Paris this year?  OlneyOne and me have got places there and again in London two weeks later!

Seren - just had a look at that page.  You're right, it's a bit naff to say the least.  I did a quick Googlie and found this page which is way more err, scientific (apart from section 3 being somewhat irrelevant!!).

Hark - yes, not cheap but for same it will be a great investment. I had a major op last year that cost me over €1000 in physio bills, so from my p.o.v. it's a bargain if I can avoid those sort of problems again.  For those who are really serious about their training and chasing PBs, something that allows you to squeeze more quality sessions into a week without injury (because recovery is accelerated) will also be well worth the money.

Cheers, TD.

10/12/2009 at 15:20

No I'm not going to Paris, I was a little uncertain about work.  We made 19 jobs redundant yesterday, so hopefully that will be it.

I am in London though, so perhaps we can meet up at some point for a nice meal.

10/12/2009 at 16:27
Is this a product you have some involvement with, TD, or just one you use?  I ask because if you're involved with it I would be interested to see the clinical trial write ups that prove the claims made for it.
10/12/2009 at 20:51
What utter rubbish. You should be ashamed of yourself tdb
10/12/2009 at 21:17

Sorry M.ister - not connected with 'em, I'm just a punter.

SteveC - well, this is the internet and you get to meet all sorts on it. It's pretty much impossible to judge what a person knows or what their motivations are.  I've only provided some info and tried to provide a sincere recommendation for something that's probably more effective and less painful than ice baths.  It's implicit that you do your own research and make up your own mind about stuff.

You don't really elaborate why you think what I said is rubbish or why I should feel ashamed (which I don't!). So why be so quick to judge me? The art of pointing out someone who is bogus or ill-informed is to provide superior knowledge, experience or insight. In the absence of those things, people can form a bad impression.

Anyway, just so you don't worry about anything, you haven't hurt my feelings.  Next time I'm in Stavanger, why don't we go out running?!

Mr.Puffy - be very careful of anything I might say in future.  It might not be very reliable

10/12/2009 at 22:10
Then again it might, it very often has been
11/12/2009 at 10:34

Strange Avern L, on another thread you were thinking of buying those shoes for yourself.  You're friend wouldn't be imaginary by any chance?

If you're going to spam at least try to keep it to your own quite obviously bogus threads.  For the meantime just fuck off and try advertising through traditional means. 

11/12/2009 at 11:52
Shiny - well spotted, a thread-jacking spammer. SteveC - if you're still reading, don't confuse me with one of them
11/12/2009 at 16:58
Shiny wrote (see)

Strange Avern L, on another thread you were thinking of buying those shoes for yourself.  You're friend wouldn't be imaginary by any chance?

If you're going to spam at least try to keep it to your own quite obviously bogus threads.  For the meantime just fuck off and try advertising through traditional means. 

Good post.

Dicky, why don't you do what Shiny suggested?  Or can't you afford traditional advertising?

11/12/2009 at 18:59

Colonel - I'll answer with deference because I've seen your name all over the threads and i respect that's an investment in time.

I'm an enthusiast by nature, a community-minded sort of person. I've shown my enthusiasm for various books about running on these forums. I've written up user guides for Garmin Forerunners and helped people make them work the way they are supposed to. I've told people about body fat composition monitors and why they are useful as an aid to training. I've talked about what running shoes I like and why, what brand of extra warm winter running tights I've tried (and what I didn't like about them).  I share what knowledge and insights I have about running and injuries and in a manner which never tries to asert any sort of authority.  No power trips here my friend. Oh, and I think I helped translate the ingredients list and dietary information from a packet of nuts into English for Mr.Puffy last year!

And this is like that.  I've got something that's pretty innovative.  It meets a need that lots of people have but really aren't quite sure how to fix. I could keep my mouth quiet about it, stay in fear that people will try and take shots at me.

Now I guess there must be an ongoing problem with people peddling there wares on this site which is why I am getting this (surprising) reaction. But before you or anyone else tells me to Foxtrot-Oscar, you might just ask yourself if you are actually in a good place to judge the situation.  Feel absolutely 100% free to ignore this thread and go about convinced that you've done a good job policing the forum and keeping everyone else safe. Ignorance can be a happy place to live. Ciao.

12/12/2009 at 10:14

So, as well as the drivel Dicky spouted above, he then sent me the following PM:

Just in case you forget, I wrote to you on the thread. Think you must be mistaking me for some other kind of person.

Help me to understand what kind of person you are...

Tricky Dicky

 What the hell is that all about?!!  Cuckoo!

seren nos    pirate
12/12/2009 at 10:25

No CB..........I think you have misread it this time..........It might have been a little confusing that a post that avern L had put up spamming had been removed........It was that post not dicky's that Shiny was refferring to.........

the spammer had his posts removed.........dicky's hasn't because it isn't spamming.

its just one regular formite given details of what they think has worked for them...........

I myself am a little sceptical about it............but being a runner if I had excess money then I would probably give it ago because sometimes we get so desperate you give anything a go............and if it works for you even if the effect is only pschyological then its money well spent..........

dicky just supplied the info and its up to us as adults to make the choice.......

just clicking on his name and following his previous forum activity ( eg stalking) can find out quite quickly that he seems a genuine type of guy........

12/12/2009 at 10:43

CB - you definitely have the wrong impression of TD and in my view misread the post. As Seren says TD has posted many respected posts here and for some considerable time.


13/12/2009 at 07:33

Make your own mind up CB. It says that you should think before you slam someone when you post and I've offered you the opportunity to do that. You can keep on trying to insult me, but honestly, in the real world I live in (not the artificial world of Internet forums), well, I don't give self-appointed authority figures much shrift. So I'm trying to be polite and improve the signal to noise ratio.

I've not come across anyone else apart from personal friends who use this device yet. It seems very innovative. I'm amazed it hasn't caught on. If it feels like I'm trying to "spread the word", well that should be understood in relation to how impressed I am with it (and how lucky I feel to be able to use it).  Happy to answer any questions from interested skeptics, but the cynics are probably better off following this link.

I did a 28km run yesterday, which is my longest for a while and I have a hockey match later today, so recovery is pretty important. Slapped the device on yesterday for 2 hours and I'm feel very perky this morning. For those who want forensic proof, I'm sorry - can only offer my sincere anecdotal evidence.

14/12/2009 at 17:48

Are you able to get RW forum members any discount

15/12/2009 at 07:04
Mr. Boat - I think that there is some deal where if you participate in a User Panel and provide some structured feedback on a questionnaire, they give €100 off. I did this and it was a very simple form, where they are just trying to subjectively quantify people's experience with it.  Seem to remeber that it was just for a 4 week period.  I've no idea if they are still doing it but it certainly reduces the cost.... cheers
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