Gait analysis, as waste of time?

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27/12/2013 at 22:01
Ben. have injury rates reduced since the invention of these medicsted shoes?
27/12/2013 at 22:27
Nose Nowt wrote (see)

Ben,

You said earlier that new shop assistants in Sweatshop tend to have a bigger 'return rate'... but that this improves markedly with experience.  Did you see a pattern to the changes that those assistants made?  For example, I wonder if new assistants tend to be 'over' prescribe solutions.  Or perhaps it's the other way round.  Or maybe no discernable patterns.

The inexperienced assistants tended to take a simplistic view i.e. “this is overpronation and I correct it by sticking something hard under it”.  This often resulted in over prescribed solutions, as you elegantly put it.  A more experienced assistant will often prescribe slightly less support than the footage would indicate. 

As people get more experienced, they look at the way the customer is running more.  They look at whether the shin bone is getting knocked sideways, and the customers running posture.  They look at whether the customer is landing on the heel or the forefoot, because while most shoes are good for heel strikers, many are crap for forefoot strikers.  Above all they look at the customers history more, in terms of previous injuries and what has worked for them in the past. 

The bottom line is that every piece of information you can get about the customer is significant, and the video footage is not so much the single most important piece of information, as the one you need to give all the others context. 

27/12/2013 at 22:36
Shoes smell like horse piss wrote (see)
Ben. have injury rates reduced since the invention of these medicsted shoes?

Let me play devils advocate here, ignoring the fact that I have previously worked for the devil. 

The US Army Centre for Health and Preventative Medicine carried out a major study into the effects of gait analysis at FortDrum.  Injury rates were recorded over the two years before the programme was implemented, and over the two years after the programme was implemented. 

The sample size was huge, literally thousands of soldiers, and the injury rate in the years after the programme was implemented halved.    

Obviously I am cherry picking one study here that backs up a given viewpoint, but my argument is that you are wrong to dismiss these methods completely. 

28/12/2013 at 01:06

Thanks Ben. 

 

ps... there's no such thing as the US Army Centre for Health and Preventative Medicine

partly because the Americans spell it Center... but mainly THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS PREVENTATIVE... not on either side of the Atlantic.  It drives me mad when so many people use it... even BBC news readers etc. 

Thanks.  Rant over. 

Edited: 28/12/2013 at 01:10
28/12/2013 at 02:12

Running shoes are just like any other product whether it be a hat, shirt, jeans, food or drink. It should be up to the shoppers choice on what he/she wants to buy based on the style, comfort, fit. Fitting shoes based on gait or foot type is a false paradigm preached by shoe companies. 

We must remember that running shoes sales assistants are paid on sales commissions and they have no right to force us to buy the most expensive cushioned or stability or motion control shoes. It is laughable when the sales assistants claim you have flat feet when you have a distinct medium to high arch. 

 

Edited: 28/12/2013 at 02:14
28/12/2013 at 08:23

now I usually overlook these type of threads but this one has been going on for sometime now.

im totally against being given the type of shoe from a salesperson just because they have seen me running on a 'false surface'.

i totally agree with horse piss. You need to look into running technique, muscle structure,posture. 

the most simplistic form of exercise goes back many thousands of years has been affected by our sedentary lives (sitting in offices etc) which in turn affects our muscle groups. I.e all of them running from back to down the ankle. You strengthen these.......like they are supposed to be.........like a normal human being structure then you start running correctly.

which eventually will be passed onto running form.

look at the top athletes of the world, they are constantly monitored for running form/technique to make them more efficient and less likely to injure themselves.

28/12/2013 at 08:36
Ben. the answer is no
28/12/2013 at 09:46

Jeremy,  

the most comfortable trainers I have ever worn are Brooks pure drift which are minimalist.  Mainly because they have a large toe box.  Unfortunately even where manufactures do make wide fitting light shoes such as NB, they won't supply to the Uk.

Edited: 28/12/2013 at 09:46
28/12/2013 at 09:55
Nose Nowt wrote (see)

Thanks Ben. 

 

ps... there's no such thing as the US Army Centre for Health and Preventative Medicine

partly because the Americans spell it Center... but mainly THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS PREVENTATIVE... not on either side of the Atlantic.  It drives me mad when so many people use it... even BBC news readers etc. 

Thanks.  Rant over. 

 

It's in the OED.

28/12/2013 at 10:34
Shoes smell like horse piss wrote (see)
Ben. the answer is no

Well at least you are coming to this issue with an open mind. 

28/12/2013 at 11:47
Rich949 wrote (see)
Nose Nowt wrote (see)

Thanks Ben. 

 

ps... there's no such thing as the US Army Centre for Health and Preventative Medicine

partly because the Americans spell it Center... but mainly THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS PREVENTATIVE... not on either side of the Atlantic.  It drives me mad when so many people use it... even BBC news readers etc. 

Thanks.  Rant over. 

 

It's in the OED.

It's also listed in my Collins dictionary as an alternative form of "preventive".

That being said, the US Army dudes he referenced use "preventive", so you're half right. It's a word, but it isn't used in the name of that particular organisation.

28/12/2013 at 12:25

Incidentally, even if somebody produced a study that disproved gait analysis to the extent that it was not worth investigating the matter any further, I would still reject in the strongest terms the idea that giving somebody a shoe that fitted and felt comfortable constituted good customer service.  

My experience has been that any information that you can get about a customer, improves your chances of not getting a return. 

28/12/2013 at 12:37
Bringing the argument back round again. shops provide pronation analysis not gait analysis.
28/12/2013 at 14:48

If a pair of shoes did not fit well and were uncomfortable, I would try on another pair of shoes instead. I would look for a pair that fit well and were comfortable and the colour, style is what I am looking for in a pair of shoes.

Minimalist/light trainers/Neutral shoes are usually more comfortable than a pair of stiff, uneven, uncomfortable, tight fitting stability shoes. I am the consumer and I am king. I will only ever buy the pair of shoes that I want, not the shoes the 18 or 19 year old sales assistant is trying to sell me. I can always buy shoes online for a much cheaper price point than I would get in a retail store and get the shoe in the colour, style that I want.

Gait analysis is just another means of trying to sell shoes to consumers with fancy running shoe company sales talk. There is no real evidence to prove gait analysis actually works. 

Edited: 28/12/2013 at 14:57
28/12/2013 at 16:27

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28/12/2013 at 19:24

16 27 is a bit early for bed....

28/12/2013 at 19:34

 "I would still reject in the strongest terms the idea that giving somebody a shoe that fitted and felt comfortable constituted good customer service.  "

That has to be a classic.  Isn't that the primary job of any shoe salesman? 

Are you a foot warrior from hitch hikers's guide to the galaxy?

28/12/2013 at 19:42
RoadWarrior wrote (see)

If a pair of shoes did not fit well and were uncomfortable, I would try on another pair of shoes instead. I would look for a pair that fit well and were comfortable and the colour, style is what I am looking for in a pair of shoes.

Minimalist/light trainers/Neutral shoes are usually more comfortable than a pair of stiff, uneven, uncomfortable, tight fitting stability shoes. I am the consumer and I am king. I will only ever buy the pair of shoes that I want, not the shoes the 18 or 19 year old sales assistant is trying to sell me. I can always buy shoes online for a much cheaper price point than I would get in a retail store and get the shoe in the colour, style that I want.

Gait analysis is just another means of trying to sell shoes to consumers with fancy running shoe company sales talk. There is no real evidence to prove gait analysis actually works. 

Firstly, there is a huge difference between the evidence being conflicted on whether something works, and there being no evidence that it works.

Secondly, if you want me as the retailer to sign a piece of paper saying that you can run in the shoes for 30 days and bring them back covered in horse sh1t if you don't get on with them, then you have to submit yourself to whatever system of testing I think is appropriate.

28/12/2013 at 19:44
Surrey Runner wrote (see)

 "I would still reject in the strongest terms the idea that giving somebody a shoe that fitted and felt comfortable constituted good customer service.  "

That has to be a classic.  Isn't that the primary job of any shoe salesman? 

Are you a foot warrior from hitch hikers's guide to the galaxy?

No. 

If you go to a specialist retailer you expect them to do more than that to constrain your needs. 

Otherwise what is the point of them?

29/12/2013 at 03:58

You go to a running store to buy a shoe (as opposed to online) so you get one that fits right - that's vital.

The gait analysis bit is an added placebo effect to make believe you have been sold the best shoe for your running style.

That bit is important so that when you then inevitably go out and overdo it and get some sort of pain/injury, you don’t then immediately blame the shoe.

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