Gait analysis, as waste of time?

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11/01/2014 at 21:43

Wow this is a somewhat lively thread! Personal experience, I had a couple of pairs of trainers that were fine, then when I went for a pair that didn't do my legs/feet I went and had a gait analysis, tried god knows how many different pairs and found a pair (being size 13 with wide feet is fun) that I have got on well with. Bought a new set couple of weeks ago (diff brand) and again didn't work. Have now gone for another pair of the same post-analysis "Newer model". It helped me. Marketing and all that jazz doesn't matter, if it helps it helps. The cynical would make it all about that but advancements in all aspects (knowledge of the body, improved materials etc.) means it's not just marketing BS. 

11/01/2014 at 22:27

Wah wah wah. What exactly is your point? 

11/01/2014 at 22:29

How are the shoes slowing down someone RW.? If you've got the right running technique your foot hardly touches the ground when running. 

11/01/2014 at 23:10

When you run off-road, the cushioning takes on an additional function. 

When you slam your foot down on a sharp rock, or a tree root, it protects the foot like a boxing glove protects the hand. 

The rock/tree root is going to bite into something!

05/02/2014 at 09:28

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130614100821.htm

05/02/2014 at 10:23

linky thing not working?

Edited: 05/02/2014 at 10:24
05/02/2014 at 10:38

Copy and paste into browser

 

05/02/2014 at 10:45

I did. Very interesting. Ben take note. Seems like quite a good study following nearly a thousand novice runners for 12 months. 

05/02/2014 at 10:57

Gait analysis is useful for showing up a weakness in the kinetic chain that you don't readily notice yourself.  For instance, you may be dropping a hip causing a twist in the running motion.  This will have effects further down the chain in both the knee and ankle.  A good running store will point this out to you and suggest ways to correct it.  They won't try and sell you a pair of shoes you don't need. 

Some people want the quick fix method; a pair of shoes or an orthotic insert to correct their pronation, and this is fine.  In the long run, it is always better to fix the source of the problem.  This can take a lot of small adjustments over a long period of time, and may not always be possible due to a number of factors.

05/02/2014 at 11:04

And when I click my fingers you will wake up. What planet are you living on Chris? Running faults can be diagnosed by a FULL GAIT ANALYSIS. Not the sales trickery in the shops.

05/02/2014 at 11:53

Yes, there may be some shops out there using VGA to shift stock.  However, you must be mistaken in thinking I suggested anything other than VGA a useful tool to have. The experience and knowledge of the staff in a good running shop is invaluable.  A good running shop, as I said above won't sell you shoes you do not need.

 

Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/02/2014 at 15:41
Chris Pearson 8 wrote (see)

Yes, there may be some shops out there using VGA to shift stock.  However, you must be mistaken in thinking I suggested anything other than VGA a useful tool to have. The experience and knowledge of the staff in a good running shop is invaluable.  A good running shop, as I said above won't sell you shoes you do not need.

 

Yet looking at the study posted earlier today, if the running shop is selling anything other than a neutral shoe to a new runner then they're doing just that (selling you shoes you don't need).  Or maybe there simply are no good running shops?

(Except Run To Live, obviously )

05/02/2014 at 16:37

So a good running shop has gait analysis in order to point out faults in our running style rather than selling shoes? Is that the running shop in Cloud Cuckoo Land?

05/02/2014 at 16:58

That is a fair point, but like I said earlier; People who are not prepared to take the time to sort out their running form want a quick fix - Shoes or orthotics.  You may say it is the evil shoe companies pushing this upon us, but there are countless stories of peoples running being transformed by changing shoes.

I wear a neutral cushioned shoe and a 4mm, low drop shoe.  I have no problem with my feet.  Running shops sell shoes because the market exists.

05/02/2014 at 17:46

The last point is key Chris. If the customers buy into the blurb then the running shops have to. In fact the ones pushing the blurb are the shoe companies. The shops hands are tied. The can't say here's a pair of 140 pound shoes which you are paying 75% for marketing and suspect technology. They would soon be out of business.

Edited: 05/02/2014 at 17:47
05/02/2014 at 18:01

VGA of the type running shops offer is about selling 'special' shoes whilst making the buyer feel they've had 'special' treatment.

05/02/2014 at 22:09
Shoes smell like horse piss wrote (see)

VGA of the type running shops offer is about selling 'special' shoes whilst making the buyer feel they've had 'special' treatment.

The independent running shop I use offers VGA on request.  Generally, they will ask to see an old pair of your shoes and get you to run outside for a short distance.  They will then make a suggestion based on their experience and knowledge, and get you to try a variety of shoes.  They will also get you to run on their treadmill without the VGA switched on, and just watch you run.

As an independent shop they suffer the customer who comes into the shop with no intention of buying to try on a shoe then buys at huge discount from an online retailer with half the overheads and doesn't give a stuff about running.  You can choose to buy your running kit from wherever you like.  Independents offer a service, which you have to pay for; the same as any other service provider.  You don't have to pay for it if you don't want it.  They are passionate about running, but they also have to make a living.

In a similar way, the shoe companies are passionate about running.  They design and make shoes based on years of R&D and customer feedback because they want to produce a fantastic product.  This does involve a lot of marketing and sometimes hype.  But lets be grown up about this; they also have to make a profit to continue what they are doing.  If you could get away with selling something you were passionate about (I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere), and make a profit at it, wouldn't you do it?  They wouldn't continue doing what they are doing if there wasn't a market for it.  And if you think the prices are over inflated, don't buy the shoes.  Go out and buy a pair of Hitec Silver Shadows instead and have done with it, or just go barefoot. 

(Edit And just to get back to the original point; VGA is a useful tool when used correctly.  Not all retailers use it correctly, and just blindly follow what the software is telling the retail assistant.  Often, software will be pre loaded with a list of suitable shoes based on a fairly basic algorithm.  This kind of VGA has no real merits except for shifting shoes off the shelves. 

Edited: 05/02/2014 at 22:23
Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/02/2014 at 23:06

Shoe companies are not passionate about running.  Like any company, their sole purpose is to make profits for their shareholders.  There may be some people working for shoe companies who love running, but that's not the same thing at all.  No matter what those people think, profit is the company's only reason for selling shoes, not the other way round.

06/02/2014 at 08:28

The running shoe shop VGA seems to me to be based solely (sorry) about pronation control. Why worry about that when there's no evidence to show it has any impact on injury rates? Why worry about pronation when the runner might overstride? Why worry about pronation when the runner slams down on their heel with an overstride? Why worry about pronation when the runner bends at the waist or has a really slow cadence? They don't offer analysis and expertise on these things. If they want to offer analysis, then look at the right things!

The best thing running shops could offer is a way to scan your feet for size and shape and have a way to connect that info with the data of all running shoes to quickly find the best and most comfortable fit for you, because that's what really matters.

06/02/2014 at 08:36

 Cheerful Dave wrote (see)

Shoe companies are not passionate about running.  Like any company, their sole purpose is to make profits for their shareholders.  There may be some people working for shoe companies who love running, but that's not the same thing at all.  No matter what those people think, profit is the company's only reason for selling shoes, not the other way round.

 

It's not the way they start though. The venture capitalist vultures get their claws in when they see an opportunity to make money.  It is a mutually beneficial partnership. 

Big global company buys small running shoe company; small running shoe comapny gets investment; running shoe company gets bigger; running shoe company makes profit; big global company gets a return on its investment.  

That opportunity exists with sports shoes companies because there is a market for sports shoes.  The ventur caopitalists wouldn't bother their arses if we didn't buy the shoes.  We are all free to make our own minds up.  We don't have to buy into the hype.

Edited: 06/02/2014 at 08:37
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