What type of shoe?

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08/10/2002 at 13:05
I'm a bit p****d off at the minute. I can't get out running. This is my problem, and I have had a whinge about this on various other threads, I have Plantar Fasciitis. I saw a Podiatrist on Monday who confirmed this and said I may also have Plantar C..somit-or-other Burstits, which is essentially a very deep blister on my heel.

I accept that we all get injured and I'm just going to have to ride it out until I'm better.

What is really getting to me is that I bought a new pair of shoes and the podiatrist has confirmed, looking at the time between getting the shoes and the occurrence of the injury, that it might well be the new shoes that have started the injury. Now the reason I'm so cheesed off is that the shop that sold me the shoes said that I was over-pronating and the Podiatrist said that was a load of c*** and that I have perfectly neutral feet.

I have 2 questions....

1. Should I go back to the shop and complain? If they are offering this foot diagnosis service it should be accurate.

2. What type of shoes do I buy next. There seems to be conflicting info even on this site. One page said cushioned shoes and another said stability.

I'm not only p****d off but also angry and confused!!!!!

Help

Jo
08/10/2002 at 14:15
Sorry to hear about your less than inspiring experience with new shoes. I started running in neutral shoes, and sure enough after a few months my knees were so knackered I couldn't bend them properly. So I did what you have done and went to a specialist shop who looked at my running and recommended a pair of stability shoes - and I've been thoroughly happy with them with no knee trouble at all. As to what you should do, well, I would complain to the shop, absolutely! And I would have thought that being a neutral runner you'd need cushioning rather than stability, but then again, what do I know?
08/10/2002 at 14:24
Definately go back to the shop and 'discuss' this with them. If they do not offer to replace the shoes with something that would suit you better, I would name and shame them on this site!

Shoe selection is very confusing, but I would say that if you are a nuetral runner with a normal foot - go for a stability shoe. If you have a high-arch, go for a cushioned shoe.

What shoe did the shop sell you?
08/10/2002 at 15:13
The shoes were Brooks GTS.
08/10/2002 at 15:33
The Brooks GTS is a 'Performance Shoe' for mild pronators or nuetral feet. A performance shoe is designed to be a second shoe quick, efficient runners for fast training exercise, and not really a standard everday high mileage shoe.

What application did you tell the shop assistant that you needed the shoes for?
08/10/2002 at 15:37
Just regular running. I'm not a mega competitive runner I've only done 2 10ks this year and was training for the GNR when I bought the shoes.
08/10/2002 at 15:52
In my opinion for this type of running (which is more than I do these days) you should be looking at cushioned (if high-arch) or stability shoes. Sounds to me like the Brooks GTS were okay from a build point of view, but perhaps not enough support and cushioning for distances over 3 miles?
Have a look at www.drpribut.com!
08/10/2002 at 18:37
Joanne, if you up for a radical change of direction that will mean fewer injuries have a look at www.gordonpirie.com there's a free book called 'Running Fast and Injury Free' that you can download. Since reading it I've transformed my running and have had no injuries (and I'm running quite a bit quicker).

You may find that your current shoes are quite suitable.
09/10/2002 at 00:54
Andrew,

Would it be possible to post a precis of what the book says - especially about shoes?
09/10/2002 at 09:39
I've read that aswell and I'm trying at the moment. There was a thread on the general forum entitled 'Gordon Pirie Book' that's worth reading.

The basics are :- Do not land on your heals as this slows you down and causes injuries. Instead train yourself to land on the balls of your feet by taking shorter strides and increasing your stride rate. The best sort of shoes for doing this are racing flats because most training shoes have a heal that is too padded and interferes with landing on your forefoot.

I would strongly recommend reading the book that Andrew mentioned, it is free and is only a few pages long.
09/10/2002 at 11:15
Thanks, found it, had a quick look, very confused. Seems to contradict everything you are normally told!

Interesting that he mentions several bare foot runners - most famously (to me) being Zola Budd - but then I weigh about 80 kilos and I am guessing she weighs about half that so maybe what works for her is not ideal for me ? Also did these runners land on the balls of their feet? And do societies where people do not traditionally wear shoes - I am assuming parts of Africa etc hope I am not sterotyping - run on the balls of their feet?

THanks to those that have brought this up anyway - has anyone actually followed the advice - if so what happened?
09/10/2002 at 19:11
Up until a few years ago a lot of black (is this the PC term these days) runners used to do the Comrades Ultra Marathon in South Africa barefoot - 56 miles on tarmac!
09/10/2002 at 19:15
I've been following it for about 8 weeks, not long I'll admit but my average pace for a 8 mile tempo run has gone from 7:45 min/miles to 7:00. I'm running about 30 miles a week and haven't had any injuries since I changed over. I do all my training in racing flats and I'm a mild overpronator. It certainly seems to be working so far and I'm convinced that basic racing flats are better than any motion control or stability shoes.

I beginning to think that all the advice given by manufacturers, magazines and this website is complete rot !

The thing that convinced me is just trying to run barefoot forces you to run on the forefoot because its just too painful to run on your heels - proof that you shouldn't be doing it.
09/10/2002 at 20:19
Andrew I cannot agree enough. Shoe companies have been trying to solve peoples running gaits with differing types of shoes, at, I might add, great expense, rather than training/coaching/informing people to run properly. This may be something to do with "Buy our shoes" "best protection available" etc. With a dodgy knee I was a bit dubious about doing most of my running in lightweights but I have had no problems so far.

I did feel he went on a bit in the book about how fantastic he was and how no-one these days could do what he did. Sour grapes?
10/10/2002 at 13:27
Andrew,

I must say, your message the other day about Gordon Piries book really did contradict everything I have ever read and been told about running,...and rather took the wind out of my sails.
My first instinct was to tell you that you were talking utter drivel, to be closely followed by doing a rather unique impression of an ostrich.
However, I am not one to rush to judgement and decided that I should first have a look at the book in question, and THEN tell you that you were talking utter drivel. Not only would I then be able to pride myself in the fact that I was right and you were wrong, but my arse wouldn't be sticking out in mid-air, with my head in the sand.
I must say that I am glad that I did decide to read the book - it makes so much sense, and it seems that it would work even for a heavyweight plodder like me (this is what surprised me most, as I thought that it would be aimed at elite athletes).

I am going to give it a go - the timing couldn't be more perfect either, as I am due for a new pair of shoes.

Thanks
17/10/2002 at 16:48
Hello!
I have read the book about Gordon Piries and I was thinking to try a very light shoe as stated in the book, Can anybody recommend a light shoe and as well something that will protect my feet from the mud and the rain as I ran on grass most of the time?.

Thanks a lot

17/10/2002 at 18:57
Elsa, I would recommend a pair of Walsh trainers as being ideal for this although the tread pattern is very heavily studded.
18/10/2002 at 22:18
You people are heading for injury problems. No question. Unless you are really light (under 10st for men) training in racing flats is a recipe for disaster.

Do you really think that manufactuerers would spend millions developing training shoes if they didn't work?

Do high mileage runners like Paula Radcliffe train in flats? No.

How many world records have been broken since Gorden Pirie was running?

We have gas and electricity now. Technology has come a long way. use it and trust it.
19/10/2002 at 14:32
So, why is it people who run barefoot suffer fewer injuries that those that wear shoes ?

Do you think that 30 years of shoe technology is any match for millions of years of evolution ?

Personally, I'm happier wearing minimal shoes that interfere as little as possible with my running rather than those clunky orthopaedic boots that are pushed by the popular maufacturers.

I had plenty of injuries before switching to racing flats, I've had none since despite increasing my mileage and running faster.
19/10/2002 at 15:42
Millions of years of evolution has given us the sort of anti-social louts that infest our streets so I rest my case on that one.

I wasn't advocating running in orthopaedic boots I was merely trying to point out that people need to get shoes to suit their weight and gait.

No disrespect Andrew but a recent post of yours mentioned you were running again after a couple of months off. I hope the lay-off wasn't caused by an injury brought about by doing excessive miles in racing flats.

If you are very light and have a neutral gait you can probably get away withh training in flats but everyone else should seek a shoe that's right for them.

If training in racing fllats is a good idea how come nobody I know or run with is doing it? How come top runners don't do it?
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