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Do I have potential?

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03/08/2012 at 14:43

he's got to break 16.06 Dachs in the next 2 months

... 16.06 = no feet kissing

03/08/2012 at 14:45

Stevie G's not wrong Mike. The most sensible way to establish a goal is not to say what you can achieve in a month's time. It's better to look a few years down the road, having a grand target. Then you ask yourself, "What do I have to do in order to realise that goal?". Do I leave home and take up altiture training in Mexico, do I run twice a day six times a week, do I give up drinking beer and playing football.... etc etc. So it's a working backwards. I want to be there in the future, so thias is the next step i have to take. In your case it may be to join a running club, or to start running 4x/ week. I don't know.

What I do know is that if you set an elite goal, you have to make elite sacrifices. Also, it's not a sensible goal to set your ambitions relative to other people's performances - perhaps not until you get to a very high level of competition. It may well be that there are people on this thread who have runs tens of thousands of miles in training, in rain and wind and snow and turned their guts out on to the pavement/ track in order to become faster.

So if you just turn up and say that because you are naturally talented, you are going to beat people like us in a month or two (which you might!), then it's a bit of a slap in the face for those who've done all that work. Mind you, I have a feeling like Stevie G is suggesting, that the improvements will be quite tough to come by unless you become a lot more focused and dedicated.

So we may have been joshing with you a bit, but don't doubt the sincerity that we'd like you to do well and succeed in realising your goals. Just don't be a muppet and think that there is any other way to do it other than through bl**dy hard work, whatever your age or talent. Wishing you well.

03/08/2012 at 15:07
Well said tricky
03/08/2012 at 15:32

Good post tricky, you've reduced the silly posts percentage on the thread substantially with that one.

03/08/2012 at 15:49

You may be right again Stevie although I don't think you've brought all factors into the equation. Apparently this thread has been read 1199 times so far. So it must be a lot more entertaining than it has been informative. No one has been nasty either which is good.

I might also add, that good advice has been dispensed here to our young friend, but as with everything in life, we don't always realise the value of what is in front of us, at the moment it is offered. I've had so many slapdowns in life in one way or another but that's the sort of process you go through to become perceptive and aware of others. I guess it makes life fun.

Now Mike, I'm begging you to make all us smug old gits look like chumps by doing the run of your life tmrw.

03/08/2012 at 16:19

predictions for tomorrow's race? 18.48 to beat?

i go 18.41

03/08/2012 at 16:35

All we can guarantee is that it will be 5 to 10 seconds faster than second place, because Mike will have been hanging on his shoulder until the sprint finish.

03/08/2012 at 16:48

I'm backing youthful exuberance - 18.30

03/08/2012 at 17:43

Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

I'm wary of applying excessive pressure so I'm saying team Mike will be happy at under 18:30 and looking at the weather it could be more

Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

Mike - I have read your post and it's clear to me that you have pure talent, why not try a triathlon I'm sure you could win some of the ironman competitions already, as most triathletes only do them because they can't compete in single events. Then when you're trained up maybe run a couple of marathons, at that pace for 5k you'd probably finish in about 2:20, and a few more weeks training I think you could be talking medals.

 

Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)
Mike reading through the responses I see my comments have been called sarcastic and hilarious but obvious these people don't understand what it feels like to have natural athleticism. I am sure you'll use your raw talent to take your 5k into the 16 minute zone very quickly, don't be put off by what you hear and I suggest just get chatting to last weeks winner then follow him around I guess you could probably do that, you can then out sprint him at the end, theworst you'll do is post a fast time, Post your result please I'm sure it will cause a stir on Saturday afternoon, and don't be put off by the doubters on here, I have a fair bit of confidence you'll manage a big improvement


 

at least keep your trolling consistent.



 

03/08/2012 at 18:52

Im running in the Heaton Parkrun tomorrow instead of Bolton, mainly because the Bolton course has been changed and its nice to run in different scenery against different people. Its generally a faster race than the Bolton one but hopefully I can push for that first place!

03/08/2012 at 20:10
Indominatable spirit Mike
04/08/2012 at 10:34
It does look like Mike ran the 1st one fairly conservatively to knock a min off in a week.
http://www.parkrun.org.uk/Bolton/results/athletehistory?AthleteNumber=285888
He was probably in low 19 shape anyway which a lot of footballers could do off their training. The hard bit is getting that down further as you get faster. I'm just below 17min and over 40 so know I'm not going to knock much if any off that unless I train much harder/smarter.

Mike, I predict 18:20. Good luck.
04/08/2012 at 16:17

Mike, had a quick look at today's result, what happened ?

 

04/08/2012 at 16:31

Yeh, 19:08. 

I tried to do as suggested and keep up with 1st place, and was with him until the 3km mark then I started to get abit of pain in my chest(lungs), that combined with my inexperience of the route led to my bad time, 6-7 people overtook me on the last 2km. I was very annoyed because my legs weren't that tired, I just couldn't breath, is that unusual?

19:08 - 14mpw - going to up it to around 20mpw this week, this weeks result has made even more determined. 

04/08/2012 at 16:59

Mike, first of all you need to understand the difference between someone giving you good realistic advice, and someone being sarcastic and on a wind up.

The guy who said keep up with 1st place also said you'd be a top triathlete, and would crack 2hr 20 for a marathon! Check out the power of 10 website and see how many UK men do that each year!

You found out today what we've all found out. Run well above your limit and you simply blow up!! That's what's given the breathing and chest issues.

Next race, understand that 18.48 is your pb, and have a vague idea that the km pace is 3.45 per split.

Then, if you find yourself going through kms in 3.30s you're likely to be on course to blow up again.

Pacing is the most key thing you'll ever learn in racing.

Gentle up in mileage certainly won't hurt. You could do worse than doing some KM reps in training too at 3.45 pace (your current 5k pace)

Edited: 04/08/2012 at 17:00
04/08/2012 at 17:19

Just read through this as I am considering running my local Parkrun again after injury, spent an hour reading through it, expecting some decebnt 5K advice, it's like a good book I couldn't put it down.

Mike I'd take 19:08 any day it's 6 minutes better than I could hope for, so good for you.

The rest of you, Tricky Dicky and NW4 fantastic bit of banter, very entertaining, you should be a double act, and some of you are quite negative, but all credit to you Mike and don't let this ruin your enthusiasm.

04/08/2012 at 17:23

Yeh ive learnt to stay out of the front and storm through in the last 2km now. What would you recommend for intervals stevie? 

I think I could do 2 intervals a week, one interval running at 3:30km x 5 200m rec. and another session working on my 400m - 1:15 x 5 200m rec.

What do you think? 

04/08/2012 at 17:26

Graham - Glad you enjoyed it! 6 minutes behind me is the same time my dad gets and he was a good runner back in the day(he's 48 now) 

Get back into the parkrun mate, running it every week is so enjoyable! 

04/08/2012 at 17:54

Mike, you need to reset your mentality for the long term game, there are no quick fixes here.

Your best bet is to sign up at your local athletics club. A coach there will quickly get you running the sessions to best improve you.

In the meantime I'd get used to running 20-25miles a week comfortably (easy pace) to build a bit of a base.

5x1k at 3.30 repping off 200m jog, is simply too fast in your position.

Think more current fitness than desired fitness.

Something like 5x1k at 3.45 pace off 60sec recovery would do you more benefit.

 

04/08/2012 at 18:03

ok, yeh I plan to join an athletics club very soon.

Just a question though, you say 3:30km is too fast, thats a 17:30 5k, and im running on flat ground and I get a recovery, I know your more of an expert, but could you elaborate on why that pace would be too fast for me? 

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