ARC or UK:A

English-Athletics vs Association of Running Clubs

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10/03/2009 at 11:43
ok, thanks for that.
It does seem a bit crazy, given the numbers of L2 coaches and the number of running clubs across the country, I bet a good number of them wouldn't be physically capable of leading a run at the moment (its a guess here but I would have thought many L2's will be track coaches?). Also, many clubs will have more than one running group going out on a club night.
On the other hand, I can see a need for organised groups(esp if you're dealing with large numbers) sensible, safe route leadership and someone who could look after the welfare of a running group of mixed ability. To me that's a sign of a good running club. I can't see how a Coaches qualification is going to give you that unless they change the curriculum. There is something called 'Fitness in Running & Walking'  but that's a 1-day course and though probably more appropriate for grass roots runners, it isnt at the L2 level.
definitely worth further investigation... Keep on providing us with the alternative viewpoint Michael.
Moe
10/03/2009 at 11:52

Imski,

If I thought the cash was being directed into T&F it wouldn't be so bad it's the inflated salaries and seemingly engineered positions and job titles that concern me.

11/03/2009 at 23:04

alanj
FIRW, although only L1 equivalent, does qualify holders to coach solo - ie to lead road groups.

Moe
Doe you have evidence of "inflated salaries"?  The few EA posts that I've seen advertised seem depressingly close to minimum wage!

I directed a UKA licenced race in January.  The admin really was not difficult - what are people complaining about?

12/03/2009 at 15:58
cheers 40M I can kind of see the logic in that. Still might drop a line to The UKAmeisters though in the hope of getting their 'official line'.
05/05/2009 at 09:25

alanj
Did you ever write to uka, and (if so) what was their response?

05/05/2009 at 10:51
No, I didnt, I'm afraid. I became quite disillusioned, and stepped down from our committee. Decided to concentrate on the training for now.
06/05/2009 at 23:04

alanj
No problem, hope your training is picking up with all your extra free time!

Farnie    pirate
07/05/2009 at 12:15
When I did FiRW I was told I was able to take/lead a group solo by UKA
07/05/2009 at 23:02

Farnie - Yes, correct .

Farnie    pirate
08/05/2009 at 08:03
do I get a sticker?
Moe
20/08/2009 at 16:13

On the issue of salaries, I guess at the top levels they have to offer a good package to attract anyone to such a thankless task as trying to put Uka back on track (excuse pun!).

The only reason I've come back to this old chestnut again is that the Vampire (other half) has entered a local event after having encouraged some work colleagues to take up running and build up to 10k, for the hell of it I've agreed to enter also.  It's a Uka permitted event so I will be paying unattached price to enter, as will the Vampire (no issue with that) ........ We are proud to be members of our club and will both declare ourselves as being such on the entry form, our club is affiliated to both ARC and Uka so does this mean an extra headache for any race organiser to sort out the team results as they will now have to keep an eye on who is attached and who isn't?  It's bad enough for organisers dealing with ensuring results are correct at the best of times without running the gauntlet of the flack this type of anomolie may create!

For reference, an ARC permitted event recognises a Uka affiliated runner as such and they pay the affiliated entry fee................ simples!!

31/08/2009 at 13:17

I have personally become very disillusioned with UKA and no longer wish to support/fund the organisation, sadly no ARC clubs in my area, i hope to persuade my local club to let me join unaffiliated and just enter open races.

Moe as far as i am aware 'open' races i.e. races that you do not have to affiliated to UKA, it is at the decretion of the organiser as to what constitues a team.  Race the train and touth team are both races i know that are sanctioned by uka, but have a very relaxed policy towards what constitutes a team i.e. you can make up your own team.  Your a member of a club so put it down, as long as you make it clear your not a member of uka, i don't see a problem.


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