Are we obsessed with FAT?

How much is too much

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09/02/2005 at 15:04
OK so if I eat fried bacon and eggs for breakfast, have a couple of pork pies (with brown sauce) for lunch and some fish and chips for dinner then that probably too much fat.......right?

but.....the following questions remain unanswered to me.

1. How much fat is too much fat?
2. What if i eat too little fat - what happens then.
3. If I overdose on saturated fat - how can I get rid of it?
4. If fat is so bad then how does the atkins diet work?
5. What really is a "balanced diet" - how many sausages does that include?

I want answers - not the sort of answers that sensationalist magazines give - but cold hard facts.
09/02/2005 at 15:07
i think standard-rated, it's normally 17.5%
09/02/2005 at 15:09
GUFFAW! (Tm Dr Nic)
09/02/2005 at 15:10
I assume the WE in the thread title is a Royal We, Martin ;-)
09/02/2005 at 15:11
And the answer is probably yes, on current evidence ;-)

(Or "it depends how many sausages you can hold in each hand".)
09/02/2005 at 15:13

1. Above 10% fat in your diet is too much. Above 30% and you're really in trouble.

2. Nothing. Your body uses it's natural stores. But you will not be able to absorb certain food because they depend upon fatty acids to break them down - thereby making you deficient.

3. You could try benecol. You can also use milk thistle which assists the liver in removing toxic waste. Not entirely sure. Fibre intake being increased is also supposed to help.

4. The atkins diet works by breaking down proteins and to do so you need fatty acids - so fat is used up from the body stores to do this. The atkins diet IMNHO is a shite way to lose weight though.

5. 1 sausage (for some of us none, I don't eat meat) a week. 5 portions of fruit and veg a week. One portion is one fist sized fruit such as an apple or two dessert spoons of loose uncooked veg such as peas. 35g of fibre a DAY. and minimal amounts from the protein, carbs and dairy food groups.

There Martin. That answer your questions..?
09/02/2005 at 15:14

on the other hand .....

a FAT sausage every now and again could be good for me couldn't it..?

09/02/2005 at 15:22
Easy tiger
09/02/2005 at 15:24
SO Cath - what happened to giving up being smutty and flirtatious?!!!!

09/02/2005 at 15:25
...she gave it up
09/02/2005 at 15:25
Er, shouldn't that be 5 portions of fruit and veg per day? Ideally it should be more than 5.

Your body needs fats, but a lot of the saturated stuff (usually solid at room temperature) is bad news. Go for olive oil, fatty fish, like sardines, mackerel, salmon and nuts and seeds. Avoid hydrogenated fats, like margaines - a little butter is better for you.

Everything in moderation is ok but a fry up every morning is too much! Once a week is fine.
09/02/2005 at 15:31

Jenny -- you're right!!! My mistake, was meant to say a day - was thinking 2 posts ahead!


PP -- smutty & flitatious..? Where was there any smut and flirting in that post..? Eh..?

10p -- mwah!

09/02/2005 at 15:34
A different answer:

1. too much fat is: enough to cause problems; the amount will vary from person to person. The problems caused by too much fat are typically (a) too high a calorie intake, although that doesnt necessarily follow, (b) raised cholesterol if too much of the fat is saturated - but this doesnt happen to everyone and (c) insulin resistance - again depends on your predisposition. These are all related.
Quoted amounts for "too much" usually vary between 15% and 30% of calories depending who you ask.

2. Too little fat: if you REALLY eat VERY little fat indeed, you will be deficient in essential fatty acids, which is quite nasty, but not likely to happen to many people in our society. Generally if your intake of good fats is a bit low you will suffer from poor vitamin absorption, dry skin, and for men, lowered testosterone.

3. You can't. If you've laid down plaque in your arteries, you can't easily get rid of it again; the best thing then would be not to add any more!! And if you've flipped over via insulin resistance into type 2 diabetes, then starting to eat properly will not cure the diabetes.

4. If the Atkins diet does work, which is hotly debated, then it works by controlling calorie intake, so that although the % fat in the diet is high, the actual amount of fat (grams) is not that high. The benefit of restricting carb intake is that some people find they get less hungry that way. Not recommended for runners.

5. The concept of "balanced" diet is ill defined. A huge number of species eat only one thing (like koalas eating eucalyptus) and seem to do OK. Eskimos eat what we would consider an unbalanced amount of fish, and get very little heart disease as a result. Millions of people eat no meat in some parts of the world and do OK. An unbalanced diet is one that comes almost entirely from factories, I say.
09/02/2005 at 15:34
So there.
WildWill    pirate
09/02/2005 at 15:35
Firstly FAT is very important in an athletes diet, as it has a number of important roles, such as delivering essential fatty acids (Linleic & alpha-linolenic acids) as well as fat soluble vits

Recommended intake, for Joe Public, ranges from 15% to 30% dependent on where you look but for an athlete the recommended intake is about 20% (maybe a bit more)

But all fat is not equal, you should limit the intake of saturate fats to help prevent against heart disease – another type of fat to try and avoid is trans-fatty-acids (oils that have been made solid or hydrogenated) such as in most margarines

The consumption of unsaturated (polyunsaturated & monounsaturated) can help lower LDL cholesterol (the bad stuff) when you replace the bad fats in your diet with them

10% fat in your diet is too low

I could write all day on this so I may come back with more info
09/02/2005 at 16:20
I have done the Atkins diet (about 5 years ago) and while it works, in that the weight comes off quite rapidly:
a) it is not sustainable: you end up craving carbs all day long;
b) as soon as you come off the Atkins and take on carbs again, your weight balloons again;
c) your breath stinks all the time; and
d) you spend a good deal of wasted time in the lavvy waiting in vain for something to happen!

Sorry. Just fancied a quick rant.
09/02/2005 at 17:06
the fatkins diet helps you lose "weight" quickly, but its mostly at first glycogen and the water that forms a complex with it. this in total weighs about a stone, and its the stone of more or less instant weight loss that people on the diet find. this is mainly held in the liver, so their stomach appears to shrink, too. unfortunately, they also lose lots of lean tissue as well as a bit of fat.

basically, its stupid.
WildWill    pirate
09/02/2005 at 17:09
Low-carbohydrate, high-protein diets such as the Atkins Diet are very popular fad in diets presently, being used by large numbers of dieters to lose weight fast. These diets attempts to guarantee fast weight loss and following the Atkins Diet will make those pounds drop off in the initial stages.

As stated above fad diets like as the Atkins do allow dieters to achieve initial fast weight loss however this tends to be a result of losing water and lean tissue weight (muscle) with often only very small amounts of fat loss. The downside to the plan is its reliance on protein. High-protein diets can cause headaches, bad breath, nausea and carbohydrate cravings due to depleted glycogen stores. The plan is too high in saturated fats and too low in fruits, whole grains, calcium and fibre. This program is difficult to follow for long periods of time due to its too low carbohydrate, high protein approach

any real weightloss is purely down to the fact that the body get sick of fat & protien so ou end up eating less calories

Laws of physics and all that
09/02/2005 at 17:12
are you saying i've got nowt, like?
WildWill    pirate
09/02/2005 at 17:14
nar - your right

its stupid

but the next big fad is GI

watch this space

mark my words

and its almost as stupid
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