Benefit cheat runners

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06/12/2011 at 07:58
Just read yet another example of an apparently 'disabled' person training for a half marathon, just thought i'd share my anger at the sheer audacity. I suppose it's a double whammy, having worked in pensions my opinion is that DLA is the biggest con to the taxpayer, and also as a runner I thought us sporting types should be, well, sporting really.

Anyone else narked by this?
06/12/2011 at 08:08
I'm a "lefty Guardian reader" but that doesn't mean that I like cheats.
seren nos    pirate
06/12/2011 at 08:15
The DLA does need shaking up.....There are a number of people who will lie and cheat to get something for nothing.........and not just in benefits...but in jobs and tax payments.........

even the depts themselves though need shaking up........

when I tried to get off invalidity benefit several years ago as I believed I had improved so much I was not entitled to it.......it took me months and several phonecalls/ letters before i finally got an appointment with their medical team to confirm I was ok........in the mean time I was still paid the benefit.........
similar when i down graded my sons DLA when he was young.......I was told why not wait till the review in 18 months time........I had to insist that he was reviewed again as he had improved so much that i believed he was not entitled to the higher benefits.............
you can see why some people just don't bother fighting the system to get less money.........
06/12/2011 at 08:16

Not sure what lefty Guardian readers have to do with this ...

Knit me some yoghurt please, Jeepers

06/12/2011 at 09:39
On seren's point, a few years back, after running down all my savings trying to get work and only getting odd temp days here and there I had to sign on.  Typically, right after I did my old jb offered me 4 days a week until I found omething permanent, and I got an interview for a 'proper job', relevant to my degree.  As that was in the nuclear industry I had to provide evidence of all old jobs, addresses and any time spent on the dole as part of the security checks.  I went into the job centr to ask if they could give me evidence, they said no because I hadn't signed on for the first time yet.  (but they did offer to help with my petrol costs to my interview 220 miles away, even when I said the company had given me a claim form), I then said ok, can I just cancel my application then, they said no to that too.  So frustrating that they do make it so hard to do things, which would ultimately benefit them (and the taxpayer!) 
06/12/2011 at 09:47
Angel - I last signed on in 2077. I'd been signing on for about 6 weeks when I was offered a job. It wasn't going to start until they got all my references in tho, so I was entitled to sign on for another few weeks. I wasn't, however, allowed to just turn up in the dole office, I had to keep filling in the little booklet saying what I'd been doing to find work that week. No amount of telling the dole office staff that I had a job would persuade them.

This time I'm avoiding signing on for as long as possible. I don't think I can cope with the bearucracy.
06/12/2011 at 10:18

Have you been reading the Daily Mail again, Htc24?

I suppose it might depend on the nature of the disability? 

It's a bit of an assumption that all people with disabilities have PHYSICAL disabilities.

If it's of a mental health kind, should a person not be able to run?  It might be very beneficial to their mental and physical health.

06/12/2011 at 10:27

DLA does seem to be hugely inefficient, but I wouldn't like to see it scrapped. Massively overhauled yes, it is ridiculous that some people are able to claim for years without even having one review of their case or having to produce a doctor's certificate. Or as Seren says, that someone who wants to stop receiving DLA payments has to keep badgering the department to make this change! 

But I think it is important to have extra assistance for people who are genuinely unable to work due to ill health and who may have higher living costs/more expenses (i.e. taxi fares to hospital appointments, cost of carer) than those healthy people who unfortuantely find themselves out of work.

I do always wonder how the people in those Daily Mail scaremongering stories manage to rack up hundreds of thousands in benefits and buy houses/ go to Barbados with the proceeds?

06/12/2011 at 12:02
Yep it was the daily mail, i take the telegraph mainly but if bored will dip into the dm and it's always a mistake if i do.

Running may be good for mental health issues, but dla is for those who are incapacitated to the point they cannot work, i'd say if you can run 10 miles then you can go to work, maybe get a job in a sports shop telling people how great running is for mental health issues.
06/12/2011 at 12:08
Wilkie.....Gillian Hulme claimed she could barely walk 20 yards and claimed benefits for 10 years, as such.  She was recently filmed doing a 5 mile mile run as part of her training for a Half Marathon, after being tipped off by a member of the public.  I do agree, though, that running could be beneficial to those with other disabilities 
06/12/2011 at 12:09
No, you're wrong - DLA is largely an in work benefit and is very often paid to enable people to work... you're thinking of incapacity benefit, a totally different type of benefit paid to those who cannot work.

I should be astounded at your ignorance - but sadly it's par for the course with Daily Mail readers.

Edited: 06/12/2011 at 12:10
06/12/2011 at 12:48
Htc - have you ever met someone suffering with a mental health issue, such as depression? There's a thread on this forum you might find illuminating.
Ye Olde Dragon    pirate
06/12/2011 at 13:23
Corinthian - you are confusing Disability LIVING Allowance with Disability WORKING Allowance.

There are, and always have been benefit cheats, I don't like them any more than anyone else, but please don't assume that if someone with a Mental Heslth Problem can run/walk/ride a bike, that they are capable of talking to other people or even have enough capacity to hold down a job. If someone with a mental health problem has the strenght of mind to overcome the debilitating effects of the illness AND the medication, then all the best to them


However, if someone is proved to be a cheat, then introduce them to Jeremy Clarkson I says.
Edited: 06/12/2011 at 13:25
seren nos    pirate
06/12/2011 at 13:44
there are always cheats........in all fields........how many times do wealthy people avoid prison or losing their liscences because they can pay for top lawyers to win on technicalities........

as long as there are ways for people to report them then hopefully it will improve......
06/12/2011 at 14:59
Actually, you're bang on with that 12 DD...

Daily Mail readers are still ignorant fuckers though
06/12/2011 at 16:49
AllNoel wrote (see)
Angel - I last signed on in 2077. I'd been signing on for about 6 weeks when I was offered a job. It wasn't going to start until they got all my references in tho, so I was entitled to sign on for another few weeks. I wasn't, however, allowed to just turn up in the dole office, I had to keep filling in the little booklet saying what I'd been doing to find work that week. No amount of telling the dole office staff that I had a job would persuade them. This time I'm avoiding signing on for as long as possible. I don't think I can cope with the bearucracy.
Can I borrow your time machine ....
06/12/2011 at 17:03
ha ha. Ipad typo
06/12/2011 at 18:46
Htc24 wrote (see)
. Running may be good for mental health issues, but dla is for those who are incapacitated to the point they cannot work, i'd say if you can run 10 miles then you can go to work, maybe get a job in a sports shop telling people how great running is for mental health issues.

Err, DLA is for people in or out of work to compensate for the extra costs of being disabled...Even Telegraph readers are entitled to it if they have the need.

I don't like people who abuse the system. But I do think it's odd that we praise people for overcoming adversity and then label them scroungers if they succeed in doing so. I saw one "running benefit cheat"  story where the "runner" in question had taken over 3 hours to complete a half. That looks like proof of some kind of disability to me! 

06/12/2011 at 19:51
But the DM website has The Strip of Porn on its rh side...

I feel some kudos are due for that.
06/12/2011 at 20:49
Looking at the Strip of Porn is only allowed if you shake your head and tut tut about the state of morals today as reflected by Kim Kardashian/Jordan/cast of TOWIE wearing hardly any clothes, documented in 25 accompanying photos
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