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05/11/2010 at 09:49
Nam wrote (see)
4. Retribution: The criminal harmed society; therefore society (or the direct victims) is entitled to inflict harm in return.  ---  also referred to as 'just deserts'
As has been said, fines are very rarely paid and the victim ends up with a lot of hassle for nothing in return. I think there's alot to be said for going into the criminal's property and taking 'goods to the vaule of' and selling them at public auction. At the moment, and this will probably remain the case forever, in the vast majority of cases the criminal does not suffer in any way whatsoever.
05/11/2010 at 10:00

Hi all.

 It is an interesting thread.

I fully understand the "chin 'em" brigade, because I belong to the same group. I have also been unfortunate enough to have been cauhgt in a few situations which have invloved yours truly being attacked and having to chin them or helping an innocent bystander when they have been accosted and having to have a bit of wrestle.

I don't think many people appreciate the personal repercussions involved with "having a go". They are most unpleasant. For example having been attacked by a drunk lunatic and having him attempt to punch me I hit a corker of a right cross to his eyebrow which at first rendered him unconcious. My first instinct was I killed him. I don't wish that feeling on anyone. Once he recovered (to my huge relief) and the police had cleared him away. He was faced with the prospect of losing the eyesight in one eye and me being charged with afray. Not a pleasant experience.

A second example was when I stepped in to help a fellow citizen in the middle of the day when he was attacked by a drugged out, very big, recently released convict (so the police explained to me after). The end result after a little bit of a wrassle was that the druggy had his nose broken and I was covered in his blood. Again I don't wish upon any law abiding citizen the experience of having to get tested regularly for HIV simply for helping out a person who was the victim of a random attack.

My point is this. It is all well and good to want to get a bit of your own back. But it always invloves repercussions and most of the time they aren't very nice.

The law and the authorities need to do a better job of protecting those who abide by the rules.

As for those who think that writing down the number plate would have resulted in anything significant being done, really don't know how the system works (or doesn't work)

With my rant done I wish all a very happy weekend and many gob free miles of running.

05/11/2010 at 10:08

I think what it comes down to is that the victim deserves some, what shall I call it, satisfaction.  This involves the criminal receiving more than equal financial, physical and mental distress.

Unfortunately the way things are now you have to go and get your own satisfaction.

05/11/2010 at 10:14
Very good point Moraghan. The unfortunate reality is that so often when you go to get your own "satisfaction" you end up getting a poisoned chalice. 
05/11/2010 at 10:59
I'm no advocate of the death penalty nor vigilantyism.... and I don't have any answers but what I do know is that the non-custodial criminal penalties of probation orders, community service orders, conditional discharges, fines etc etc. are a joke.  They impose nearly no limits on personal freedom and the consequences for non-compliance are basically non-existant. 
Edited: 05/11/2010 at 11:01

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