Dwaine Chambers is cheapening the name of clean athletes?

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06/06/2008 at 08:18

Dwaine Chambers is cheapening the name of good athletes, says Lord Coe

Now I respect Seb Coe but I think he's got it wrong this time. I'm not a great fan of Chambers but .......

Chambers has admitted his sin, said he's sorry, served his 2 year ban and come back to the only sport he shines at.

We are the only nation to have a ban over and above the IOC recomendations. If he's good enough let him go.

06/06/2008 at 08:27

who's "dwain chambers" ?

Surely you mean "Mr Dwain I am Drugs CHEAT Chambers" - Who should be banded for live - 2 year ban is nothing these days - CHEAT by taking drugs and get a live time ban!

06/06/2008 at 08:31
I agree with Pizza man, Dwain Chambers is now running clean, if he is good enough he should be allowed to compete. Everyone makes mistakes, does something stupid etc. give him a break.
06/06/2008 at 08:39
Sorry ONCE A CHEAT ALWAYS A CHEAT in my books! and if you let him back in how long before he does it again ?
06/06/2008 at 08:48

Murderers get less!

He's served his time, the punishment was just. Let him get on with it.

As Lee says, We all make mistakes.

06/06/2008 at 08:48

Thing is though, you can't have  one rule for elites and another for non-elites.

Ban 'im for life. 

06/06/2008 at 08:52

Pie the b*stard.

Then stamp on his big feet. 

06/06/2008 at 08:53
We're talking about Tommy the Clown aren't we?
06/06/2008 at 08:53

No?

Whatever.

I stand by my earlier statement. 

mellifera    pirate
06/06/2008 at 09:40

The problem with cheating by taking drugs is that you may well still be benefitting two years later. On that basis the fairest (to non-cheaters) is to ban drug cheats for life. 

However, it does not seem fair that the regs here are stricter than those of the IOC so since under those rules he would be allowed to compete I think his olympic ban should be overturned.

I agree that everyone makes mistakes and can be forgiven. That is not the same as getting a second chance and there many professions where the making of particular mistakes means that you can no longer practice your profession. In many cases this would be true for genuine mistakes (e.g. negligence) rather than deliberate acts of fraud.

06/06/2008 at 09:59
Rules are rules - he's served his time and should be allowed back.
06/06/2008 at 10:07

That olympic ban is absolutely rubbish.

I'm far from competent in legal matters (and even that makes it sound a lot better than my knowledge warrants) but I cannot for the life of me imagine that this BOC bylaw would survive a serious legal challenge.
Just a matter of time before one athlete throws some serious legal expenses at it and it's gone. Doesn't the BOC have better things to do than spend money on lawyers to examine every borderline case (Christine O. for instance) in anticipation of the inevitable happening? Nevermind the cost of trying to defend that bylaw when it gets challenged.

I do feel like mellifera that there is a problem with time limited bans in that you can't undo the progression the athlete made while using drugs in the first place.
On the other hand, life bans make things very tricky with more innocent misdemeanors.
ie UK Vicks inhalor doesn't contain banned substances, but US version does, should you ban a young athlete who doesn't check this and gets caught out  for life?. No? In that case, do you have scales for which products give you which ban? And how do you deal with new products then?

Edited: 06/06/2008 at 10:24
06/06/2008 at 10:09
Surely it's up to each country who they choose to select for the olympic team?
06/06/2008 at 10:22

Slugsta, that's very true but, he is no avavailable for selection because he is banned from the Olympics by the BOC. So the UKA selecters who have picked him recently for the European Outedoors and and indoors are not allowed to select to him for the Olympics.

He cheated, he got caught, he served his ban.

Will the Greeks select rarely raced Kenteris or Thanou, maybe maybe not, but they are availalble and they comitted worse crimes than Dwaine.

06/06/2008 at 10:22

I appreciate that Slugsta, but then Sotherton and Radcliffe just have to accept that too and stop moaning when other countries select athletes that have sat out a drug ban.

Alternatively, Lord Coe could do something constructive and get the IOC to adopt a rule that prevents anyone with a previous drug ban from competing, so that the BOC doesn't need one.
It's just ridiculous to have an international competition with different rules per country.
Selection process is another matter imo.

06/06/2008 at 10:25

I say ban him. He didn't take banned substances by accident but deliberately. And he's been a bit reticent naming those who helped him and how. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

I wish they would make drugs cheating in athletics a criminal offence.

06/06/2008 at 10:30

I'm not too up on my football but .................................Do footballers get a life ban when they blatently dive in the penalty area, or just get a booking?

06/06/2008 at 11:20
PM - they should be shot and taken out of the gene pool......
06/06/2008 at 11:26

Problem is, they have to make an example of him, simple as that. The mesage has to be loud and clear  - you need to be clean or no GB place ever again.

He blew it big time and younger athletes need to know what will happen to them if they cheat too. And that it's not going to be a case of appeals etc etc...

06/06/2008 at 11:32

that's just it though he has had a team GB place since he servec his ban (and has won world and European silver medals for team GB)

It's just the Olympics that the BOC say he can't enter ................................... and it's just the British that have this rule.

I realy hope it doesn't get to court, it'll get very messy and the BOC will loose on restriction of trade or similar

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