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Dwaine Chambers is cheapening the name of good athletes, says Lord Coe
Now I respect Seb Coe but I think he's got it wrong this time. I'm not a great fan of Chambers but .......
Chambers has admitted his sin, said he's sorry, served his 2 year ban and come back to the only sport he shines at.
We are the only nation to have a ban over and above the IOC recomendations. If he's good enough let him go.
who's "dwain chambers" ?
Surely you mean "Mr Dwain I am Drugs CHEAT Chambers" - Who should be banded for live - 2 year ban is nothing these days - CHEAT by taking drugs and get a live time ban!
Hmmmm... interesting, I keep changing my mind about this.
Usually I am on the 'give people a second chance' bench. Goodness I've needed it plenty of times (not for anything drug related)
However..... such a high profile athlete..
I strongly believe that elite athlete should have good ethical standards, if you cheat you do so thinking you can get away with it. You are only generally sorry if you're caught.
Would he have ever admitted it if he wasn't caught, of course not!!
So, on balance I'm with Pain.
Murderers get less!
He's served his time, the punishment was just. Let him get on with it.
As Lee says, We all make mistakes.
Thing is though, you can't have one rule for elites and another for non-elites.
Ban 'im for life.
Pie the b*stard.
Then stamp on his big feet.
PM - If they do overturn the ban then what message is that sending out to upcoming athletes:
"Yes you can cheat, get your hand slapped and then come back"
Might be worth doing then eh, for the money that you get in the cheating phase from winning (trust funds etc, sponsorship)?
I stand by my earlier statement.
The problem with cheating by taking drugs is that you may well still be benefitting two years later. On that basis the fairest (to non-cheaters) is to ban drug cheats for life.
However, it does not seem fair that the regs here are stricter than those of the IOC so since under those rules he would be allowed to compete I think his olympic ban should be overturned.
I agree that everyone makes mistakes and can be forgiven. That is not the same as getting a second chance and there many professions where the making of particular mistakes means that you can no longer practice your profession. In many cases this would be true for genuine mistakes (e.g. negligence) rather than deliberate acts of fraud.
That olympic ban is absolutely rubbish.
I'm far from competent in legal matters (and even that makes it sound a lot better than my knowledge warrants) but I cannot for the life of me imagine that this BOC bylaw would survive a serious legal challenge.Just a matter of time before one athlete throws some serious legal expenses at it and it's gone. Doesn't the BOC have better things to do than spend money on lawyers to examine every borderline case (Christine O. for instance) in anticipation of the inevitable happening? Nevermind the cost of trying to defend that bylaw when it gets challenged.
I do feel like mellifera that there is a problem with time limited bans in that you can't undo the progression the athlete made while using drugs in the first place.On the other hand, life bans make things very tricky with more innocent misdemeanors. ie UK Vicks inhalor doesn't contain banned substances, but US version does, should you ban a young athlete who doesn't check this and gets caught out for life?. No? In that case, do you have scales for which products give you which ban? And how do you deal with new products then?
Slugsta, that's very true but, he is no avavailable for selection because he is banned from the Olympics by the BOC. So the UKA selecters who have picked him recently for the European Outedoors and and indoors are not allowed to select to him for the Olympics.
He cheated, he got caught, he served his ban.
Will the Greeks select rarely raced Kenteris or Thanou, maybe maybe not, but they are availalble and they comitted worse crimes than Dwaine.
I appreciate that Slugsta, but then Sotherton and Radcliffe just have to accept that too and stop moaning when other countries select athletes that have sat out a drug ban.
Alternatively, Lord Coe could do something constructive and get the IOC to adopt a rule that prevents anyone with a previous drug ban from competing, so that the BOC doesn't need one.It's just ridiculous to have an international competition with different rules per country.Selection process is another matter imo.
I'm not too up on my football but .................................Do footballers get a life ban when they blatently dive in the penalty area, or just get a booking?
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