Why do we persist in re-inforcing bad start line etiquette
I'm a middle of the pack runner so being truly first is never going to be an issue but I think for it be a proper 'race' then the winner is the first past the post. If you want count chip times then it's a time trial.
It's not so long ago when only gun times counted for anything, including PBs. In my experience (as runner and organiser) the lack of startline etiquette is mostly down to a lack of knowledge rather than anything else. The majority of racers these days are not club members but just runners who do the odd race from time to time and they simply don't realise the issues they cause by starting at the front. They just think they need a good start position. At the end of the day however is the event a race or a time trial? If it's a time trial then chip times are fine. If it's a race then positions have to be based on the order people cross the finish line.
its a race so it has to be gun times.....but for everyone else down the order...........you look for your gun time as that is the time for your PB's etc.......its yourself you are racing..who on earth would go looking atb the results to see whuch strangers they beat...........
Surely for the majority it's always going to be a time trial. Gun times are meaningless if there are 1000 folks standing between you and the start line.
Most of the races I do are always listed in order of chip times though - I don't recall having done a race in years where it was gun times.... In fact last time I remeber it being gun times was in 2006 but the following year the race had got too big and they introduced chips and then after that it was chip time order.
Most of the races I do don't use chips. Reading Half, quite rightly, ordered the results by gun time but printed the chip times in a parallel column, so you can have your race and eat your time trial cake. Seems simple, really.
I will look at previous race results to get an idea of times and check out the route
If I know i can finish in the first 10 im at the front.
If i know I can finish in the first 20 im behind those in front.
After that all i have is time baby.
I know I am a slow runner and make a point to start at the back of the last corrale as I certainly don;t want to be a hinderance to the faster runners.
It does amaze me as I pass people who started in 'faster' corrales and who simply should not have been there. Surely it is better psycologically to overtake loads after starting at the back than start near the front and be steamrolllered by everyone else?
Gun times should equal chip times for those who have a chance at top 100 ish.
Agree with Betty, better for your own motivation to start at the back and be passing runners from the halfway mark than being constantly overtaken, one builds you up the other knocks you down, also agree that an elite athlete starting 5 minutes later would probably win based on chip times as the front runner will simply be racing and will not know the gap required.
5 mins is a long time in a race start - an elite should never be starting that far back in any race.
I don't really see much issue here. The races which use chip timing are precisely the ones which report gun and chip time afterwards, but quite rightly use the gun time for sorting out race places. Use the chip time for your own PB purposes, no one's going to sue you.
People starting too far up the front often is a matter of innocent naivety. Time zones for larger fields is always good to see, but there will always be one or two inconsiderate fools getting in the way.
Phil - Can you imagine after winning a half marathon (you know, like you did yesterday ) thinking you've won and then finding out that you'd actually lost by two minutes because a rather speedy elite had missed his bus and started 10 minutes later!
What a ridiculous concept.
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