injury from wrong shoe type - General running

david ferguson 2

27/10/2002 at 21:39

Has anyone details of the problems that can occur over time by wearing motion control or stability shoes on "normal" non over pronating feet.

cheers.

Roz

30/10/2002 at 08:45

I wouldn't have thought there would be any problems as the whole point of the shoe is to try to keep the foot as neutral as possible. If you have a neutral foot to start with, then the shoe's job is redundant, so to speak. Anyway, why are you wearing motion control/stability shoes when you are a neutral foot? Poor advice? In the sale? What?

david ferguson 2

03/11/2002 at 11:39

Roz,i was told i had one foot neatral,and one needed support so was prescribed support shoes.I have developed ITBS and am heading to the physio on monday.I feel that when i run the shoes are rolling my feet outwards.
Anyway hopefully tomorrows session should give me some help with the ITBS and some shoe advice.

Roz

04/11/2002 at 09:09

Hi David, I would suggest seeing a podiatrist too. I wear neutral shoes and put in my orthotics and my problems are gradually disappearing.

popsider

04/11/2002 at 10:03

David, did you have problems which led you to wear stability shoes in the first place?

Ginny Cullen

17/11/2002 at 18:54

I have a problem with my feet particularly when I run six miles or over. I have very high arches and wear cushion shoes which are great except that I get extreme pain in the arch of my foot. This happens after I have run and particularly in the mornings when I get up. I have put an orthotic insole in but it doesn't help that much. Any suggestions?

Toyota_Crown

01/12/2002 at 19:21

I am 'normal' prescription needing stability shoes, but because of one 'runners knee', I have found my knee fine with full motion control shoes. The downside I have experienced is classic shinsplints & soreness in top of ankles, and general soreness in back of calf muscles. Other downside is more likelihood of blistering on inside of arch due to too much support, requiring pre-plastering. A 2mm noene insert magically cured the shinslpints, but only for 2 months. But this is certainly worth trying. Any one else got magic cures for shinslpints?

charlie Perkins

02/12/2002 at 01:34

Can anyone tell me why my feet burn after approx 6 miles. have been running for almost a year, running approx 15 miles a week when I can.
Wearing Nike at the moment just about to purchase a new pair of running shoes, wonder whether I need cushioned ones.

Roz

02/12/2002 at 08:22

I found that my feet used to burn after about 20 minutes and put it down to my feet moving too much in my shoes, creating friction. I wore thicker socks and tied my laces differently until I bought a new pair of shoes and got measured properly.

running blade

02/12/2002 at 19:47

David
I was checked out by Addidas at London one year on a mat which took an imprint of my foot striking the ground told me I overpronated so i bought Nike air structure
had a re test last year by Brooks at their stand and told me I had a neutral strike
so what do u read into this
either the Structure corrected my gait
or I did not have a problem to start with
either way the Structure never caused me a problem running just a bit of an heavy shoe
so I suggest if you are going to see some one find a recommended specialist

Achilles

02/12/2002 at 19:58

david - yes, I had a problem when a running shop prescribed Asics 2060's (as they then were) on the (incorrect) assumption that I was an over-pronator. they gave me considerable pain from the mid-post jabbing into my instep, which resulted in changes to my gait and then foot injuries.

is it unfair, or do shops tend to recommend stability/motion control shoes over neutral ones even when not absolutely necssary, because they are more expensive? maybe I'm just a cynic. ;-)

Freakette

02/12/2002 at 22:53

I'm curious: how can those footscan thingies work? doesn't your gait change throughout your run, particularly as you tire? So the footscan may say you've a neutral stride, but it doesn't know that you may be a serious overpronator after a few miles. Is this true, and if so, how do we decide what shoes to buy? Aaagghh, I'm confused!!!

popsider

02/12/2002 at 23:04

Yes, could someone that has had a footscan fill us in? I'm interested in whether they get you to run at a decent speed (say 10k race).

Lawrence Bevan

02/12/2002 at 23:36

Dear all

My 10 pence worth again.

Just about every single scientific study ever done has shown zero relationship between the height (low/high) of your foot arches and whether one pronates or not. Therefore anything that shows some kind of foot print like the mat scanners is unable to tell you of you over-pronate or not.

If you over pronate when you tire something needs strengthening to prevent this.

Lawrence

Lawrence Bevan

02/12/2002 at 23:38

As an aside

the test of checking your wet footprint is equally invalid

Freakette

03/12/2002 at 02:55

Cheers for that LB.

So if specialist running shops, footprints AND footscans are all dodgy, how do we find the right shoes without wasting loads off cash and picking up injuries as we test the wrong ones? Who/what do we trust?

Kimbers

03/12/2002 at 08:51

Can anyone help me? I'm a new runner and already have been experiencing some problems. I overpronate but more severly on my rightside. I get pains in my hip when running and feel like I am jarring my right leg when I land. Watching my foot movement when at the gym, my left foot lands straight but my right foot points out. I have bought a pair of Brooks Addiction 5 which were recommended at a running specialist and they also recommended I see a Podiatrist (more expense) - does anyone have any advise for me who may have experienced the same kind of problems. Please don't tell me to give up running, not now that I have just got into it.

Roz

03/12/2002 at 09:06

Kim,

I know seeing a podiatrist can be expensive in monetary terms but if you have a biomechanical problem that isn't put right, then you will pay by having health and injury problems galore! I have spent a fortune in orthotics, physio and the like, but it is well worth the money to run without pain and to enjoy running again. It sounds to me that your right foot is pointing out due to muscle imbalance, either you have weak muscles allowing it to be pulled over or and overdeveloped muscles doing the pulling! I'm no expert but do strongly suggest a podiatrist as soon as possible.

popsider

03/12/2002 at 16:43

A podiatrist will (almost) inevitably recommend orthotics and for that reason I wouldn't make one my first port of call.

It would be better to experiment with changing your running style or trying to find out if you have some kind of imbalance or weakness that you could correct with stretching and strengthening. Some other professional such as a chiropracter or physio might be good for this.

In the final analysis you may need to see a podiatrist but try something else first. Changing my running style worked for me. If you are jarring your right leg try and run with more of a claw back as you land (almost pulling yourself along) which will reduce jarring.

Also injuries can just be short term adjustment of your body to running rather than some biomechanical problem requiring correction. Then again some people do find orthotics to be the answer - but if you can get away without them its got to be better.

Kimbers

04/12/2002 at 08:33

Hi Roz and Popsider

Thank you so much for replying. I think you are both right about the muscle imbalance as I have always had a tightness in my right hip for some years now and Chiropractors etc. are always working on it if ever I have to pay a visit. I also have extremely tight calf and achillies which are probably not helping.

I want to join a running club where I know instructors will be on hand for advise and guidance. I'm reading lots of running books which I am finding very useful but I think the human element is much better.

My shoes are new and I'm yet to see if they are helping with ovepronating but I will persevere. I'll give the claw back ago but I may need orthotics in the end.

Thank you so much guys for your replies. I will keep you informed of my progress.